We established that $150 was the cheapest one should sell tees for, no? I'm curious just how many buyers see that as their barrier of entry. Just <em>how</em> cheap are clients? If a design is more than $150, do you cut your market of buyers by more than half? If so, is it still profitable to sell at twice the cost considering you'd sell more than twice as many designs? I have enough data at the normal, ~$500 price point. I'm going to collect a bunch at $250 and an equal amount at $150, gauging the amount of serious inquiry. Until I get enough data to make a quantitative assessment, everything for sale on my account is $250. Half my normal fee. I'll publish results here and, hopefully, we will be a more informed community as a result. 2009-07-07T00:08:51-04:00 65 2009-07-03T20:03:05-04:00 48611 false false 8092 5738 1 2009-11-07T17:10:23-05:00 1372 Some people are about to get lucky saving that much $ on your designs. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:05:10-04:00 1456751 13631 2009-07-03T20:05:10-04:00 damn, good luck! 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:05:58-04:00 1456761 9208 2009-07-03T20:05:58-04:00 Yeah, I'm at $150... and I do find I get more clients at that price point, and thus more money in general. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:06:09-04:00 1456771 2329 2009-07-03T20:06:09-04:00 Well, I'm really curious to see JUST how much difference the rate of inquiry changes with different price points. It's such a goddamn contentious thing, we ought to have some facts to play with when making what is, ultimately, a really personal and important choice. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:06:48-04:00 1456781 5738 2009-07-03T20:06:48-04:00 In my time desiging, seems that when people email me with interest they always want to pay way less than 150. Then when a price is agreed upon, they always bail. Thats why I usually like working straight with labels and managers. It gets to be pretty ridiculous, for one of my designs I have had 3 different people email me and agree then bail. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:07:25-04:00 1456801 4557 2009-07-03T20:07:25-04:00 I get a fair amount of that, Josh. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:07:53-04:00 1456811 5738 2009-07-03T20:07:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> I get a fair amount of that, Josh.</blockquote> I'm sure you get it a lot more than I do. Its one thing when people low ball you, but its 100x more annoying when they want it and you get stoked, then they bail. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:09:54-04:00 1456831 4557 2009-07-03T20:09:54-04:00 As someone who's commissioned a few designs from artists I'll tell you that $250 is the probably the average price that we've paid. It's been a little higher as well as lower, but there are other factors involved. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:11:32-04:00 1456841 4931 2009-07-03T20:11:32-04:00 Maybe prices can be a little flexible(negotiable), if you got the time or want to work with someone rates, why not? Maybe that can increase your earnings, but if you got enough work with your establish price, its not necessary to do this. Just my opinion Also i am not saying that you have to drop your rates to a cheap price. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:16:03-04:00 1456881 6279 2009-07-03T20:22:32-04:00 Well, I'll report back. We'll see if $250 is a magic number whereupon droves of clients flatten themselves against the screen anticipating new designs! 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:16:47-04:00 1456891 5738 2009-07-03T20:16:47-04:00 It's the limbo effect how low can you go. It's human nature I guess, wanting something for nothing. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:22:17-04:00 1456911 506 2009-07-03T20:22:17-04:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> It's the limbo effect how low can you go.</blockquote> couldn't have said it better. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:23:42-04:00 1456931 9208 2009-07-03T20:24:04-04:00 I think that "time spent" on a design is another valid variable Frenden. For example, your latest design (http://emptees.com/tees/62981-fucking-lighthouses-i-love-them) you stated you spent merely 70 minutes on...which would come to an approximate wage rate of $215 per hour (or $430 at your normal standard). While the design is very well composed and illustrated, would you say that most clients would willing to employ that kind of rate? This is just a question that popped in my head while reading this thread...just would like to hear your take on this. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:30:16-04:00 1456941 12825 2009-07-03T20:30:55-04:00 in my experience i've always paid what the designer asked for rather than try to get them to come down in price. Not only is it unprofessional but I don't think it's fair to lowball someone after they've spent the time and energy creating something. I often wonder how pricing is determined by the designer. Is it number of colors? The complexity of the design? The time it took to create it? Name recognition? 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:32:23-04:00 1456981 12224 2009-07-03T20:32:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> I think that "time spent" on a design is another valid variable Frenden. For example, your latest design (http://emptees.com/tees/62981-fucking-lighthouses-i-love-them) you stated you spent merely 70 minutes on...which would come to an approximate wage rate of $215 per hour (or $430 at your normal standard). While the design is very well composed and illustrated, would you say that most clients would willing to employ that kind of rate? This is just a question that popped in my head while reading this thread...just would like to hear your take on this.</blockquote> You're paying for countless hours spent honing a craft to be able to produce something so quickly. It's fair. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:33:43-04:00 1457001 5738 2009-07-03T20:33:43-04:00 Here's an anecdote to put things in proper perspective (and I do think it's a fair question): Legend has it that Pablo Picasso was sketching in the park when a bold woman approached him. "It's you -- Picasso, the great artist! Oh, you must sketch my portrait! I insist." So Picasso agreed to sketch her. After studying her for a moment, he used a single pencil stroke to create her portrait. He handed the women his work of art. "It's perfect!" she gushed. "You managed to capture my essence with one stroke, in one moment. Thank you! How much do I owe you?" "Five thousand dollars," the artist replied. "B-b-but, what?" the woman sputtered. "How could you want so much money for this picture? It only took you a second to draw it!" To which Picasso responded, "Madame, it took me my entire life." 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:35:12-04:00 1457011 5738 2009-07-03T20:35:12-04:00 one time some D*ck town agreed to pay me to revise their town logo (small Town) I spent hours on it and showed it to them and they bailed on me and said that they deiced to keep the old one "WTF" I was MAD >:( 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:36:10-04:00 1457021 10727 2009-07-03T20:36:40-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> I think that "time spent" on a design is another valid variable Frenden. For example, your latest design (http://emptees.com/tees/62981-fucking-lighthouses-i-love-them) you stated you spent merely 70 minutes on...which would come to an approximate wage rate of $215 per hour (or $430 at your normal standard). While the design is very well composed and illustrated, would you say that most clients would willing to employ that kind of rate? This is just a question that popped in my head while reading this thread...just would like to hear your take on this.</blockquote> You're paying for countless hours spent honing a craft to be able to produce something so quickly. It's fair.</blockquote> I wasn't implying the rate was unfair, merely questioning whether a majority of clients understood the validity of said rate. I agree with your stance, but the purpose of this thread (as I took it) is to study the buying habits of potential clients, which is why I posed the question originally. Glad to see you've got the right idea. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:37:17-04:00 1457051 12825 2009-07-03T20:37:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Mr.Izzy said:</cite> one time some D*ck town agreed to pay me to revise their town logo (small Town) I spent hours on it and showed it to them and they bailed on me and said that they deiced to keep the old one "WTF" I was MAD >:(</blockquote> that's why you have to insist on 50% upfront payment for your work 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:38:09-04:00 1457061 12224 2009-07-03T20:38:09-04:00 Totally, Mainframe. It's a question I ask a lot of myself. I think it's fair to wonder, if only to better understand for yourself. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:38:23-04:00 1457071 5738 2009-07-03T20:38:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Mr.Izzy said:</cite> one time some D*ck town agreed to pay me to revise their town logo (small Town) I spent hours on it and showed it to them and they bailed on me and said that they deiced to keep the old one "WTF" I was MAD >:(</blockquote> out that's why you have to insist on 50% upfront payment for your work</blockquote> Yeah I know that now I was Amateur then I was just starting 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:40:16-04:00 1457101 10727 2009-07-03T20:40:33-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> Here's an anecdote to put things in proper perspective (and I do think it's a fair question): Legend has it that Pablo Picasso was sketching in the park when a bold woman approached him. "It's you -- Picasso, the great artist! Oh, you must sketch my portrait! I insist." So Picasso agreed to sketch her. After studying her for a moment, he used a single pencil stroke to create her portrait. He handed the women his work of art. "It's perfect!" she gushed. "You managed to capture my essence with one stroke, in one moment. Thank you! How much do I owe you?" "Five thousand dollars," the artist replied. "B-b-but, what?" the woman sputtered. "How could you want so much money for this picture? It only took you a second to draw it!" To which Picasso responded, "Madame, it took me my entire life."</blockquote> Fucking love this Ray. I get young artists email me saying "how did you come up with your style?" and I'm like "I've been drawing for 30 years, it too that long" 48611 Post 2009-07-03T20:40:20-04:00 1457111 2991 2009-07-03T20:40:20-04:00 That's not how I heard it Ray :) <cite>Newman said:</cite> Here's yet another anecdote to put things in proper perspective (and I do think it's a joke so relax and enjoy it): Legend has it that Quakerninja was sketching in the park when a bald woman approached him. "It's you -- Quakerninja, the great artist! "I was drawing that duck and it has been startled, a days work has been wasted" He snarled!! Oh, you must sketch my portrait! I insist. Said the Now bald and rather fat, wrinkled woman, with a mole hair, sitting like a proud king upon a thrown of ugly. If you insist he grinned... So Quake agreed to sketch her. After studying her for a moment (with his eyes closed and hands behind his back, I might add), he used a single pen stroke to create her portrait. He handed the women his work of art. "It's nearly perfect!" she gushed. "You managed to capture my essence with one stroke, in one moment, but I wanted a portrait, not an essence. With a heavy sigh quaker replied. "It's all I have left to give, take it or leave it." "Thank you, I guess it's better then nothing! How much do I owe you?" "1 Perfectly still drawing of a Duck," the artist replied. "B-b-but, what?" the woman sputtered. "How could you want such a thing for this picture? It only took you a second to draw it!" To which Quaker responded, "Madame, That single stroke was the last straw"</blockquote> And away he went never to draw again. Today the last straw can be seen in The Museum of New-man-ian Doodles why not. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T21:05:16-04:00 1457311 506 2009-07-03T21:07:44-04:00 I heard it was a drawing of a dick that was startled. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T21:14:08-04:00 1457381 5738 2009-07-03T21:14:08-04:00 That duck had an unusually large dick for a duck. I wish you could have been there. 48611 Post 2009-07-03T21:16:33-04:00 1457401 506 2009-07-03T21:17:55-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> Here's an anecdote to put things in proper perspective (and I do think it's a fair question): Legend has it that Pablo Picasso was sketching in the park when a bold woman approached him. "It's you -- Picasso, the great artist! Oh, you must sketch my portrait! I insist." So Picasso agreed to sketch her. After studying her for a moment, he used a single pencil stroke to create her portrait. He handed the women his work of art. "It's perfect!" she gushed. "You managed to capture my essence with one stroke, in one moment. Thank you! How much do I owe you?" "Five thousand dollars," the artist replied. "B-b-but, what?" the woman sputtered. "How could you want so much money for this picture? It only took you a second to draw it!" To which Picasso responded, "Madame, it took me my entire life."</blockquote> i heard it was 10 k, but yeah an awesome anecdote thanks for remembering me this thing Frenden 48611 Post 2009-07-03T21:19:28-04:00 1457421 2608 2009-07-03T21:19:28-04:00 awesome experiment 48611 Post 2009-07-03T21:23:40-04:00 1457431 9706 2009-07-03T21:23:40-04:00 <blockquote><cite>JoshInvincible said:</cite> In my time desiging, seems that when people email me with interest they always want to pay way less than 150. Then when a price is agreed upon, they always bail. Thats why I usually like working straight with labels and managers. It gets to be pretty ridiculous, for one of my designs I have had 3 different people email me and agree then bail.</blockquote> Maybe they are just checking the price; you know, like window shopping or something 48611 Post 2009-07-03T22:37:54-04:00 1458221 2182 2009-07-03T22:37:54-04:00 you know if you ran all your designs through a competition site first that paid 2K per winner and you won and average of one of 10 subs. you could then sell the other 9 for 200 each and still make a net $400 on all your designs. jus an idea 48611 Post 2009-07-04T01:13:30-04:00 1459471 7336 2009-07-04T01:13:30-04:00 <blockquote><cite>isaboa said:</cite> you know if you ran all your designs through a competition site first that paid 2K per winner and you won and average of one of 10 subs. you could then sell the other 9 for 200 each and still make a net $400 on all your designs. jus an idea</blockquote> cha ching! 48611 Post 2009-07-04T01:14:38-04:00 1459481 9208 2009-07-04T01:14:38-04:00 I might hit DBH. Threadless doesn't seem to hit very much of late. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T01:17:11-04:00 1459501 5738 2009-07-04T01:17:42-04:00 i guarantee your work would do really well at threadless, it will do well anywhere of course. but don't rule tl out. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T01:29:09-04:00 1459641 7336 2009-07-04T01:29:09-04:00 Don't forget Threadless does that bestee thing. That's good money if you can get it. Go for it. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T02:18:44-04:00 1459871 506 2009-07-04T02:18:44-04:00 My usual rates are about $125. People seem to be down with that price much more than what I would like to be charging, which is about $175. By the way, I appreciate you bringing something to this community besides nonsense, Ray. Props! 48611 Post 2009-07-04T02:23:04-04:00 1459891 7196 2009-07-04T02:24:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> Here's an anecdote to put things in proper perspective (and I do think it's a fair question): Legend has it that Pablo Picasso was sketching in the park when a bold woman approached him. "It's you -- Picasso, the great artist! Oh, you must sketch my portrait! I insist." So Picasso agreed to sketch her. After studying her for a moment, he used a single pencil stroke to create her portrait. He handed the women his work of art. "It's perfect!" she gushed. "You managed to capture my essence with one stroke, in one moment. Thank you! How much do I owe you?" "Five thousand dollars," the artist replied. "B-b-but, what?" the woman sputtered. "How could you want so much money for this picture? It only took you a second to draw it!" To which Picasso responded, "Madame, it took me my entire life."</blockquote> I like the one about the Crane. An artist is commissioned to draw a crane and keeps telling the client it'll be soon, it'll be soon. Six months later the clients demands to see what he's been working on for so long. So he sits down and draws a crane and it's perfect. The client is floored at how fast it was made and demands an explanation for his wait. The artist opens a closet door and out pours a mountain of crane drawings. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T03:15:35-04:00 1460161 2330 2009-07-04T03:15:35-04:00 I stay from $175-$250 48611 Post 2009-07-04T03:18:52-04:00 1460171 785 2009-07-04T03:18:52-04:00 Ray, thanks for posting a thread with something we will all learn from. This will be great to hear. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T04:04:42-04:00 1460261 25701 2009-07-04T04:04:42-04:00 I charge $250 now and I´ve noticed a big decline from when I was charging $200. However the higer end clients I´ve had feel like the getting a bargain so it´s a frustrating middle price. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T04:16:06-04:00 1460341 2879 2009-07-04T04:16:06-04:00 I charge a minimum of $300 for a shirt design now but lately I've been higher with more clients. Reason being that if I want longevity in illustration I need to create a brand for myself, and if that means less work in the short term then fine. Otherwise I dilute my style quickly across a bunch of cheap clients that don't add anything to my brand. If I do a lot of cheap design work for a lot of cheap people, then pretty soon that style holds no attraction for the people I really want - the people who pay well and can provide great briefs. So yeah, I'm being picky with who I work for. It might sound pretentious but I'm looking at it that there's a world of illustration beyond tshirts that pays good money and I want in. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T04:33:03-04:00 1460391 71 2009-07-04T04:35:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>steven said:</cite> I charge a minimum of $300 for a shirt design now but lately I've been higher with more clients. Reason being that if I want longevity in illustration I need to create a brand for myself, and if that means less work in the short term then fine. Otherwise I dilute my style quickly across a bunch of cheap clients that don't add anything to my brand. If I do a lot of cheap design work for a lot of cheap people, then pretty soon that style holds no attraction for the people I really want - the people who pay well and can provide great briefs. So yeah, I'm being picky with who I work for. It might sound pretentious but I'm looking at it that there's a world of illustration beyond tshirts that pays good money and I want in.</blockquote> That's a great way of looking at it. I normally charge in your range and a little higher and I find that most clients find it fair. Naturally, I also find that it's the clients who really like your work that are willing to pay more. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T05:19:01-04:00 1460541 1259 2009-07-04T05:19:01-04:00 my latest designs were made for 300$ a piece, and the client felt the price is fair/low. Also, those designs weren't even the hardest i had to do. Funny how the guys that want the lowest price usually want the most revisions:) That being said...i find it hard to go back to 150 now for my elaborate, time-consuming designs, and when people don't reply after hearing that price it's insulting, to say the least. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T05:36:10-04:00 1460571 3643 2009-07-04T05:36:49-04:00 <img src="http://i39.tinypic.com/33xvcyp.gif" /> 48611 Post 2009-07-04T06:14:46-04:00 1460651 5982 2009-07-04T06:14:46-04:00 <blockquote><cite>eZ-kun said:</cite> Funny how the guys that want the lowest price usually want the most revisions:) </blockquote> Amen 48611 Post 2009-07-04T06:25:47-04:00 1460711 71 2009-07-04T06:25:47-04:00 I think the boom in contest sites has generally put us designers in a better position vis a vis client fees. It seems like there are so many viable opportunities to win decent money on (increasingly) a weekly or bi-weekly basis that if I were a potential client I would feel uncomfortable trying to lo-ball a designer with a smoking hot design. Maybe that's just me. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T08:16:04-04:00 1461131 2734 2009-07-04T08:16:04-04:00 really great post . keen to heard the outcome! 48611 Post 2009-07-04T09:05:31-04:00 1461341 12805 2009-07-04T09:05:31-04:00 I hope this doesnt turn into that thread again. Loveeee youuuu 48611 Post 2009-07-04T10:24:15-04:00 1461701 782 2009-07-04T10:24:15-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Kyle Crawford said:</cite> I hope this doesnt turn into that thread again. Loveeee youuuu</blockquote> Naw. Everyone's civil. No judging going on. More of an analytical vibe. Regardless of where you come down on the pricing side of things, hopefully there'll be something to take away from this. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T10:35:37-04:00 1461791 5738 2009-07-04T10:35:37-04:00 I'm intrigued to see how this goes. It's a great idea Ray, finally some genuine evidence. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T10:37:19-04:00 1461801 6884 2009-07-04T10:37:19-04:00 nobody wants to pay that much for a t-shirt design here in my country... damn damn damn arghhhhh 48611 Post 2009-07-04T10:43:26-04:00 1461841 21291 2009-07-04T10:43:26-04:00 <blockquote><cite>steven said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>eZ-kun said:</cite> Funny how the guys that want the lowest price usually want the most revisions:) </blockquote> Amen</blockquote> That holds true with all types of business. I used to make and install custom cabinets. The people who haggled on the price were the pickiest SOBs ever. Everything had to be PERFECT. It never failed. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T11:34:34-04:00 1462111 8948 2009-07-04T11:34:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>8-bit ZOMBIE said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>steven said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>eZ-kun said:</cite> Funny how the guys that want the lowest price usually want the most revisions:) </blockquote> Amen</blockquote> That holds true with all types of business. I used to make and install custom cabinets. The people who haggled on the price were the pickiest SOBs ever. Everything had to be PERFECT. It never failed.</blockquote> It's a truism for pretty much every industry I've ever partaken in. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T11:42:39-04:00 1462181 5738 2009-07-04T11:42:39-04:00 <blockquote><cite>JoshInvincible said:</cite> In my time desiging, seems that when people email me with interest they always want to pay way less than 150. Then when a price is agreed upon, they always bail. Thats why I usually like working straight with labels and managers. It gets to be pretty ridiculous, for one of my designs I have had 3 different people email me and agree then bail.</blockquote> That is EXACTLY what happens to me. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T14:51:11-04:00 1463381 11188 2009-07-04T14:51:11-04:00 I recently sold a band two designs for only 65...that's pretty bad on my part... But At least i cut them a break.. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T14:56:54-04:00 1463491 13548 2009-07-04T14:56:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Howellart said:</cite> I recently sold a band two designs for only 65...that's pretty bad on my part... But At least i cut them a break..</blockquote> You cut them a break, but in essence, you screwed over every other tshirt designer out there. For my brand the lowest I paid for a design like $165, and if anyone had even said less than $150, I wouldn't have hired them. Seriously. The highest one I used this time was $250, and I didn't mind paying that at all. Plus he did a great job. I had one quote me at $400, and I'll admit that I was a bit hesitant to use him, but that was also kind of because his style was a bit farther from what I was looking for than the others. As far as contracts and getting half up front, I learned my lesson with a design I was doing for a band. They were all cool about it, and like yeah, if you're afraid you'll get screwed over, send a contract on over and we'll sign it, but we'll pay you and everything, and then I started wondering about the legality of a typed signature and stuff, so I was just like it's whatever I'll trust you. Bad decision. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T16:11:38-04:00 1464011 8092 2009-07-04T16:11:38-04:00 150 us dollas ? 48611 Post 2009-07-04T16:55:19-04:00 1464181 27391 2009-07-04T16:55:19-04:00 i pay about 200/250 48611 Post 2009-07-04T17:00:35-04:00 1464221 27391 2009-07-04T17:00:35-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Thamior said:</cite> i pay about 200/250</blockquote> And I hope with all my soul you get quality work done. It depends on the designs and mostly on how eager the designer is to sell one artwork. For example, take me...i am willing to part with some of my personal project designs for 150-200, because i want to see them printed even if i get paid 50$ less. Or because I'm in a pinch. But my standard price is at 250-300... so, i would say...you should get what you pay for:) But I must thank you for paying a decent price and for encouraging performance in an industry that suffers so much from low-balling. 48611 Post 2009-07-04T17:46:23-04:00 1464481 3643 2009-07-04T17:46:52-04:00 <blockquote><cite>eZ-kun said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Thamior said:</cite> i pay about 200/250</blockquote> And I hope with all my soul you get quality work done. It depends on the designs and mostly on how eager the designer is to sell one artwork. For example, take me...i am willing to part with some of my personal project designs for 150-200, because i want to see them printed even if i get paid 50$ less. Or because I'm in a pinch. But my standard price is at 250-300... so, i would say...you should get what you pay for:) But I must thank you for paying a decent price and for encouraging performance in an industry that suffers so much from low-balling.</blockquote> Well, for me, most of the design here are worth 10thousand$ to my eyes, but since were all not millionaire... sad 48611 Post 2009-07-06T21:50:46-04:00 1488371 27391 2009-07-06T21:50:46-04:00 I don't think I charge enough 48611 Post 2009-07-06T22:01:41-04:00 1488481 6102 2009-07-06T22:01:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> in my experience i've always paid what the designer asked for rather than try to get them to come down in price. Not only is it unprofessional but I don't think it's fair to lowball someone after they've spent the time and energy creating something. I often wonder how pricing is determined by the designer. Is it number of colors? The complexity of the design? The time it took to create it? Name recognition?</blockquote> that is fucking great. thank you! if only more people could learn from you! 48611 Post 2009-07-06T23:00:14-04:00 1488811 600 2009-07-06T23:00:14-04:00 I would love to get $150 for designs, but most of the bands I work with its like pulling teeth to get any more than fifty bucks for something. I currently get around $75 or so for designs, not because I want to be undercutting anybody, but I don't have the portfolio quite yet to justify that kind of price. I love all of the inspiration I get from this community, but it makes me feel like I shouldn't get $150 for a design because the quality of my work isn't anywhere near where a lot of other artists on here are at. I got my goals though. 48611 Post 2009-07-06T23:34:32-04:00 1489041 21331 2009-07-06T23:34:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>stein.hansen said:</cite> I would love to get $150 for designs, but most of the bands I work with its like pulling teeth to get any more than fifty bucks for something. I currently get around $75 or so for designs, not because I want to be undercutting anybody, but I don't have the portfolio quite yet to justify that kind of price. I love all of the inspiration I get from this community, but it makes me feel like I shouldn't get $150 for a design because the quality of my work isn't anywhere near where a lot of other artists on here are at. I got my goals though.</blockquote> stop charging only $50 for a design. your work is better than you think. keep at it and have more respect for the work you do. 48611 Post 2009-07-06T23:56:24-04:00 1489261 8848 2009-07-06T23:56:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ithew said:</cite> I don't think I charge enough</blockquote> 48611 Post 2009-07-06T23:57:06-04:00 1489281 4864 2009-07-06T23:57:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>cryface said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>stein.hansen said:</cite> I would love to get $150 for designs, but most of the bands I work with its like pulling teeth to get any more than fifty bucks for something. I currently get around $75 or so for designs, not because I want to be undercutting anybody, but I don't have the portfolio quite yet to justify that kind of price. I love all of the inspiration I get from this community, but it makes me feel like I shouldn't get $150 for a design because the quality of my work isn't anywhere near where a lot of other artists on here are at. I got my goals though.</blockquote> stop charging only $50 for a design. your work is better than you think. keep at it and have more respect for the work you do.</blockquote> Thanks man I appreciate it. Its not out of a lack of respect for my work, its because of the bands that I work with. I think my biggest problem is that I got started by working for friends, so everybody is looking for some kind of handout. I guess I need to just set a base price. I'm working on a lot of stuff at the moment to justify it. Out of curiosity, where did other artists on here start out? Did you spend time building a portfolio before trying to get work? Or did you just go head first into it? I know that a huge aspect of the business is selling yourself and convincing clients you are worth the money, it just seems difficult for me without having real evidence of what I'm capable of. 48611 Post 2009-07-07T00:03:20-04:00 1489321 21331 2009-07-07T00:03:20-04:00 <blockquote><cite>stein.hansen said:</cite>Thanks man I appreciate it. Its not out of a lack of respect for my work, its because of the bands that I work with. I think my biggest problem is that I got started by working for friends, so everybody is looking for some kind of handout.</blockquote>So don't. Do some work for yourself, stuff you wanna do. It will build up your portfolio, and you can try to sell it to people when you're done for a real price, rather than lowballing. If people ask for a handout, just be firm. Tell them your price is set and say no if they want lower. It's worth the wait. <blockquote>I guess I need to just set a base price. I'm working on a lot of stuff at the moment to justify it.</blockquote>Do it. <blockquote>Out of curiosity, where did other artists on here start out? Did you spend time building a portfolio before trying to get work? Or did you just go head first into it? I know that a huge aspect of the business is selling yourself and convincing clients you are worth the money, it just seems difficult for me without having real evidence of what I'm capable of.</blockquote> I've done web design and photography and stuff, so I never built up a very good tshirt design portfolio, but just kinda started doing it, and because of the bands and stuff that weren't willing to pay my prices, I've been able to build up a portfolio of stuff that no one ever bought. But I'm a retard and lost it all when my server went down because I didn't have it all backed up. Make some evidence and people will come. 48611 Post 2009-07-07T00:08:51-04:00 1489341 8092 2009-07-07T00:08:51-04:00