who else believes...

posted 11 months ago by william@thisisprestigious.org

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... In a world free of animal cruelty?

When I was a sophomore in high school, about 16 at the time, I decided to stop eating meat. Two years later, fueled by the very same ethics, I removed all dairy from my diet completely.

Who else here follows the same lifestyle? It’s been four years, and the constant heckling from friends and family rages strong; but a Vegan way of life is the life for me.

Thank you. No graphic chat in this thread!

139 Comments

Truman325i said 11 months ago

Ohh man, good for you something I could never do, nor want to do.
quakerninja said 11 months ago

I made it one semester in college.
Colemadethis said 11 months ago

i love meat. sorry. i have tried to go veg. i just cant keep the meat outta my mouth.

Warning, may contain spoilers!thats what she said
Hoodlumpr said 11 months ago

I’ve thought about going vegetarian a few times but cant seem to do it.
hideouscarwreck said 11 months ago

i’m a vegetarian but not specifically because of animal rights, more because i just can’t stand the thought of having a corpse in my mouth
derekdeal said 11 months ago

i guess im a pescatarian, cuz i still eat fish...i like my lifestyle now, i cant imagine pushing it further, but kudos to you.
Ameeee said 11 months ago

I love dairy too much..but I respect ya for your choices.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

edgillustrator said: absolutely high respect for you my man, i couldnt do what you do.

it’s cool if you don’t mind losing weight or getting food waived in your face while out with friends. Keeping your head above the skim is difficult, but the actual methods of refusal of animal products are simple-- will power is an absolute minimum-- once your mind is made up... I can’t imagine ever giving up. I know many people who quit a few months in. The first week is honestly the hardest.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

derekdeal said: i guess im a pescatarian, cuz i still eat fish...i like my lifestyle now, i cant imagine pushing it further, but kudos to you.

you remind me of Conor Oberst in that sense. He started losing his vision and went to fish strictly on doctors orders. Every little bit helps the effort and sends the message that there can be a world with little demand for flesh of consumption.
Truman325i said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
edgillustrator said: absolutely high respect for you my man, i couldnt do what you do.

it’s cool if you don’t mind losing weight or getting food waived in your face while out with friends. Keeping your head above the skim is difficult, but the actual methods of refusal of animal products are simple-- will power is an absolute minimum-- once your mind is made up... I can’t imagine ever giving up. I know many people who quit a few months in. The first week is honestly the hardest.

For me it would seem access to acceptable meals, like on trips or during holidays would be rough?
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

Truman325i said:
thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
edgillustrator said: absolutely high respect for you my man, i couldnt do what you do.

it’s cool if you don’t mind losing weight or getting food waived in your face while out with friends. Keeping your head above the skim is difficult, but the actual methods of refusal of animal products are simple-- will power is an absolute minimum-- once your mind is made up... I can’t imagine ever giving up. I know many people who quit a few months in. The first week is honestly the hardest.

Not as much as one may think. Thanksgiving 04 was awkward but I managed.

For me it would seem access to acceptable meals, like on trips or during holidays would be rough?
beth said 11 months ago

I was a vegitarian for over 8 years and I got really sick and I had to eat meat. But all I eat is chicken. All other meats gross me out
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

beth said: I was a vegitarian for over 8 years and I got really sick and I had to eat meat. But all I eat is chicken. All other meats gross me out

this is not rare. Little thing called b12 deficiency--- not fun.
I wish I knew what I’ve learned earlier--- it wouldve begun long before age 16.
beth said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
beth said: I was a vegitarian for over 8 years and I got really sick and I had to eat meat. But all I eat is chicken. All other meats gross me out

this is not rare. Little thing called b12 deficiency--- not fun.
I wish I knew what I’ve learned earlier--- it wouldve begun long before age 16.

It wasnt b-12 it was something else. But I still dont take B-12...fuck that! I could be allergic to fish for all I know!
rich.a said 11 months ago

do you wear vegan clothes ?
thebutcher said 11 months ago

heroes1985 said: do you wear vegan clothes ?

i bet he wears diabetic socks.
rich.a said 11 months ago

thomcat said:
heroes1985 said: do you wear vegan clothes ?

i bet he wears diabetic socks.

only to make you lick them
Ameeee said 11 months ago

heroes1985 said: do you wear vegan clothes ?

Good question.. I always wonder about this when there are so many nice leather shoes about..
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

heroes1985 said: do you wear vegan clothes ?

I got rid of my leather belts, and for dress shoes I have some sweet white pointy toe Steve maddens... Vegan Upper and rubber sole.

Other than cotton and denim, I don’t wear much else anyway. But yes, my clothes, shoes and accessories are not made with animal products.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

thomcat said:
heroes1985 said: do you wear vegan clothes ?

i bet he wears diabetic socks.

I don’t have the 'betes.... No one ever had them from eating lettuce and grass clippings like I do :)
rich.a said 11 months ago

thing is

i think eating animals is fine (also believe humans wouldnt be alive today if we didnt)

i think the problem is how we treat them ie free range organic before they die

ye my two penneth
chopshop said 11 months ago

i have had no red meat since 1990.
rich.a said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
thomcat said:
heroes1985 said: do you wear vegan clothes ?

i bet he wears diabetic socks.

I don’t have the 'betes.... No one ever had them from eating lettuce and grass clippings like I do :)

there is 2 types of diabetes the more severe one type one usually has nothing to do with your diet
thebutcher said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said: I don’t have the 'betes.... No one ever had them from eating lettuce and grass clippings like I do :)

if you don’t eat meat, i should be allowed to hunt you.

mhmmmmm steak....
hideouscarwreck said 11 months ago

funny how it makes everyone lose weight but i’ve gained a lot of weight since i became a vegetarian. which is bullshit because i eat unbelievably healthy, it’s not like i’m just snacking on carbs all day like a lot of vegetarians i know.
rich.a said 11 months ago

being a veggie doest make you lose weight! the end!
jelly said 11 months ago

Mmm. . . . Rodizio
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

hideouscarwreck said: funny how it makes everyone lose weight but i’ve gained a lot of weight since i became a vegetarian. which is bullshit because i eat unbelievably healthy, it’s not like i’m just snacking on carbs all day like a lot of vegetarians i know.

I lost 30 pounds within a month of being without meat, and lost nearly nothing when I cut out dairy.
I never get colds or sick at that matter. It has a different effect on everyones body, but quitting meat cold turkey was the method I chose... I did not ease out of it.
justinryan said 11 months ago

The weight issue is weird. Maybe it is my metabolism. I haven’t had meat in about 5 or 6 years, and I haven’t noticed any change in weight that wasn’t proportionate to me getting taller.

I don’t do it for the animal rights reasons, it’s just not for me. I don’t like the taste, texture and or idea of certain foods, not just meats. I’ve been to the doctor several times for checkups, physicals, etc since becoming one and am in perfectly good health.

I guess it all depends on the persons body to begin with, and what they do eat and how active you are. I drink (soy) milk every morning with a chocolate protein powder, to get some of the vitamins I miss, as well.

EDIT: and also, I totally do not care if anyone else eats meat around me. It just isn’t for me. I have lived in TX since October, so obviously, I’m around alot of meat eaters haha. I’m very rare in these parts.
dsprad said 11 months ago

I don’t feel as though it is cruel to eat animals. In fact, I think it’s completely natural. Carnivorous animals have been eating other animals for thousands of years. Why? Because they have to in order to survive due to the nutrients that meat provides. We, as humans, are animals after all, correct? In that case we need the nourishment that meat provides (namely protein and B vitamins). I realize that there are alternate solutions to attaining these two components, but I don’t feel the need to pop a pill to get my daily protein.

At the same time I am against unethical treatment of animals. I think throwing chickens around and mistreating cows is not needed. I am also against killing animals for the sake of the creation of clothing.

This is all just my opinion. Of course I respect one’s decision to be vegetarian/vegan, but it’s definitely not for me.
hideouscarwreck said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
hideouscarwreck said: funny how it makes everyone lose weight but i’ve gained a lot of weight since i became a vegetarian. which is bullshit because i eat unbelievably healthy, it’s not like i’m just snacking on carbs all day like a lot of vegetarians i know.

I lost 30 pounds within a month of being without meat, and lost nearly nothing when I cut out dairy.
I never get colds or sick at that matter. It has a different effect on everyones body, but quitting meat cold turkey was the method I chose... I did not ease out of it.

that’s crazy. i quit it "cold turkey" too but i’ve gained a lot more weight, i went to a nutritionist to see if there was something wrong with my diet, i got tips on how to improve it but nothing drastic was needed. apparently i just have an extremely slow metabolism
andrE w. said 11 months ago

beth said: I was a vegitarian for over 8 years and I got really sick and I had to eat meat. But all I eat is chicken. All other meats gross me out

i eat all mean except chicken, i hate chicken. i only ate fish for like 6 months, but then i got drunk at a tbs show one night an went to white castle, ive been eatin red meat ever since.
thebutcher said 11 months ago

andrE w. said: i eat all mean except chicken, i hate chicken. i only ate fish for like 6 months, but then i got drunk at a tbs show one night an went to white castle, ive been eatin red meat ever since.

As the late, great Colonel Sanders once said, "I’m too drunk to taste this chicken."
MezXXX said 11 months ago

heroes1985 said: being a veggie doest make you lose weight! the end!

its true. i know someone whos vegan and hes obese at the age of 27...

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
edgillustrator said: absolutely high respect for you my man, i couldnt do what you do.

it’s cool if you don’t mind losing weight or getting food waived in your face while out with friends. Keeping your head above the skim is difficult, but the actual methods of refusal of animal products are simple-- will power is an absolute minimum-- once your mind is made up... I can’t imagine ever giving up. I know many people who quit a few months in. The first week is honestly the hardest.

oh gosh... first week was hell. the hardest was actually gettin through my parents. they hate the fact that im vegetarian and they would do anything to make me eat meat.

do your parents sneak meat in your meals?! mine do and it sucks.

now ive been cooking my own meals for the past 9 months haha
basil said 11 months ago

FUR IS MURDER
skull with hair said 11 months ago

this is actually a crazy subject for me. history: vegan for a little over a year, vegetarian for about 5 years after that. didn’t lose any weight, and didn’t affect my health in any way.

it has been a few years since i was vegetarian, and i can say confidently i will not ever go back. the problem i have with it is i do not believe there is anything fundamentally wrong with eating meat. forget the fact that our bodies (teeth, digestive system) have evolved to be omnivorous, but i don’t really feel that the death of an animal is anything less than natural order. i am slightly odd in the fact that i feel the same way about the death of infants (not joking). people are only a collection of memories/experiences and if you are too young to have these (infants) or mentally incapable (animals) your life ending isn’t really a big deal. i will mention that i do feel remorse for families and people who deal with these losses because i understand that their pain is real (the infant feels nothing, it is just gone).

where i have a problem is animal suffering. there is no reason to treat the animals we eat the way we do.. i feel that free range is just the begining. it is wasteful to consume meat in the quanities we do in america. it takes 12lbs of grain to produce 1lb of meat in animals. that is a ridiculuos waste of resources. i feel that meat, like in most asian countries, should be looked at as a small part of the everyday meal, not the main course.

this is where i feel like organizations like Peta have epically failed. if they had used the millions upon millions of dollars they have recieved in donations to actually push ethical treatment of animals instead of trying to forcefeed people vegetarianism, we might acually live in a world with far less animal suffering. hopefully one day people will meet in the middle on this issue and the world will have universally humane treatment of animals.
derekdeal said 11 months ago

awesome post dude, you consistently blow me away
Jon Kruse said 11 months ago

animals like wearing lipstick, it makes them more confident
Reliique said 11 months ago

Eating meat is fine(Its natural and if you want to know the reason - ask god) Animal cruelty is wrong.
skull with hair said 11 months ago

Reliique said: Eating meat is fine(Its natural and if you want to know the reason - ask god) Animal cruelty is wrong.

riiiiiiiight.
mevett said 11 months ago

Do vegan chicks swallow?! It IS an animal product!

and off topic a bit.
but if you rape a prostitute, do you get charged with rape AND theft?! Seeing how you stole sex you pay for!
Master_Control said 11 months ago

I have been vegan for a little over 3 years. Before that I ate like a fucking Lion. Meat for basically every meal. I just had an epiphany that it was fucked up to eat/take advantage of defenseless beings. I love animals and I can’t live an omnivorous lifestyle without a heavy conscience.

It all comes down to respect (for nonhuman animals at least).

if you don’t need it for survival then another being shouldn’t have to die for it.

When there are alternatives to all things animal, then why waste the life of another being just so you can eat the "real thing". It’s the year 2008. It’s not necessary.

Everyone brings up the "it’s been going on for years argument" like it justifies everything. Blacks were enslaved for a long time. Women couldn’t vote and still get treated unfairly. That stuff all used to be the norm. Societies advance and our society needs to advance beyond the exploitation of other living creatures and respect all beings as equals (ok, some humans are not equal).
MykeCatastrophic said 11 months ago

I had penne with chicken and a salad for dinner... just saying...
Master_Control said 11 months ago

MykeCatastrophic said: I had penne with chicken and a salad for dinner... just saying...

it’s so rare to have someone approach this issue with a mature/intelligent observation. glad you could bring this to the table.
Colemadethis said 11 months ago

MasterControl said: I have been vegan for a little over 3 years. Before that I ate like a fucking Lion. Meat for basically every meal. I just had an epiphany that it was fucked up to eat/take advantage of defenseless beings. I love animals and I can’t live an omnivorous lifestyle without a heavy conscience. It all comes down to respect (for nonhuman animals at least). if you don’t need it for survival then another being shouldn’t have to die for it. When there are alternatives to all things animal, then why waste the life of another being just so you can eat the "real thing". It’s the year 2008. It’s not necessary. Everyone brings up the "it’s been going on for years argument" like it justifies everything. Blacks were enslaved for a long time. Women couldn’t vote and still get treated unfairly. That stuff all used to be the norm. Societies advance and our society needs to advance beyond the exploitation of other living creatures and respect all beings as equals (ok, some humans are not equal).

coming from the guy with the Ultimate Warrior avatar...
Master_Control said 11 months ago

hahaha
MykeCatastrophic said 11 months ago

MasterControl said:
MykeCatastrophic said: I had penne with chicken and a salad for dinner... just saying...

it’s so rare to have some one approach this issue with a mature/intelligent observation. glad you could bring this to the table.

Sorry man. It was meant to be a harmless joke, but I can see why you took it that way. Honestly, looking back on that comment, it really wasn’t called for and I do understand that this is a serious issue amongst many people. And for that, I’l put my thought out two cents in:

I, unlike many people on here, have never been a vegan or a vegetarian, but I truly respect those of you that are because you are doing what you believe in. The way I see it is that eating meat is a natural part of the way of life. We are omnivorous, and I take advantage of that, BUT, I absolutely despise people who will torture animals before killing them, or who kill for sport. THAT is animal cruelty. Killing animls to eat them and prosper (within reason) is just basic survival of the fittest.

And once again MasterControl, sorry for seeming like a douche.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

skull w/ hair: agreeable. The appendix was once used (so it’s been agreed scientifically) to digest leaves and sticks and shit, so yes --- the body evolves.

Mevett: yes, they do. It’s mutual--- animals dying is not mutual.
Master_Control said 11 months ago

MykeCatastrophic said:
MasterControl said:
MykeCatastrophic said: I had penne with chicken and a salad for dinner... just saying...

it’s so rare to have some one approach this issue with a mature/intelligent observation. glad you could bring this to the table.

Sorry man. It was meant to be a harmless joke, but I can see why you took it that way. Honestly, looking back on that comment, it really wasn’t called for and I do understand that this is a serious issue amongst many people. And for that, I’l put my thought out two cents in:

I, unlike many people on here, have never been a vegan or a vegetarian, but I truly respect those of you that are because you are doing what you believe in. The way I see it is that eating meat is a natural part of the way of life. We are omnivorous, and I take advantage of that, BUT, I absolutely despise people who will torture animals before killing them, or who kill for sport. THAT is animal cruelty. Killing animls to eat them and prosper (within reason) is just basic survival of the fittest.

And once again MasterControl, sorry for seeming like a douche.

That’s cool of you to come back with a legit response. I don’t think a lot of people can muster one of those.

It is a very serious subject and I hate to see people take it so lightly.
MykeCatastrophic said 11 months ago

MasterControl said:
MykeCatastrophic said:
MasterControl said:
MykeCatastrophic said: I had penne with chicken and a salad for dinner... just saying...

it’s so rare to have some one approach this issue with a mature/intelligent observation. glad you could bring this to the table.

Sorry man. It was meant to be a harmless joke, but I can see why you took it that way. Honestly, looking back on that comment, it really wasn’t called for and I do understand that this is a serious issue amongst many people. And for that, I’l put my thought out two cents in:

I, unlike many people on here, have never been a vegan or a vegetarian, but I truly respect those of you that are because you are doing what you believe in. The way I see it is that eating meat is a natural part of the way of life. We are omnivorous, and I take advantage of that, BUT, I absolutely despise people who will torture animals before killing them, or who kill for sport. THAT is animal cruelty. Killing animls to eat them and prosper (within reason) is just basic survival of the fittest.

And once again MasterControl, sorry for seeming like a douche.

That’s cool of you to come back with a legit response. I don’t think a lot of people can muster one of those.

It is a very serious subject and I hate to see people take it so lightly.

Yeah I know what you mean, and I didn’t mean to offend you or anyone else in any way. I hope you won’t judge me solely by that remark.
godmachine said 11 months ago

yey- i went vegan 2 weeks ago. my friends are nutritionists, once you realise how much not-good-crap is in everyday foods- you wonder why its so hard to find 'real' good food without shit in it. i found vegan custard- so now im happy.
Master_Control said 11 months ago

Godmachine said: yey- i went vegan 2 weeks ago. my friends are nutritionists, once you realise how much not-good-crap is in everyday foods- you wonder why its so hard to find 'real' good food without shit in it. i found vegan custard- so now im happy.

congrats man! awesome to hear you took the dive. hopefully your nutritionist friends aren’t the ill informed kind! veganism can be healthy as shit (in a good way!).

once i found vegan cheesecake, i was hooked for life.
godmachine said 11 months ago

i just basically eat raw fruit and veg all day everyday- and shit like a demon. I’m typing this whilst im on the bog. you needed to know that right?
skull with hair said 11 months ago

MasterControl said: I have been vegan for a little over 3 years. Before that I ate like a fucking Lion. Meat for basically every meal. I just had an epiphany that it was fucked up to eat/take advantage of defenseless beings. I love animals and I can’t live an omnivorous lifestyle without a heavy conscience. It all comes down to respect (for nonhuman animals at least). if you don’t need it for survival then another being shouldn’t have to die for it. When there are alternatives to all things animal, then why waste the life of another being just so you can eat the "real thing". It’s the year 2008. It’s not necessary. Everyone brings up the "it’s been going on for years argument" like it justifies everything. Blacks were enslaved for a long time. Women couldn’t vote and still get treated unfairly. That stuff all used to be the norm. Societies advance and our society needs to advance beyond the exploitation of other living creatures and respect all beings as equals (ok, some humans are not equal).

you bring up a great point, this is almost exactly how i used to feel about this subject. humans, having the greatest intelligence of all animals, have the greatest responisbility to prevent needless suffering. i was vegan/vegetarian for an extended period of time and can assure anyone that you can live a healthy life without meat or even animal biproducts (see Mac Danzig).

my conflict lies in the idea that terminating life for any reason is immoral. this seems to be an ideal coveted by those of various religious faiths (ie. pro-life). in the same way that i do not see anything wrong with the elimination of an unwanted pregnancy, nor do i see anything immoral/wrong with the humane dispatching of an animal for the nourishment and enjoyment of human beings.

were i capable of suspending my rational brain long enough to be a person of any particular religious faith i may feel otherwise. but since there is no promise of any afterlife that will far surpass that of this world, simple pleasures such as meat have merit. i feel they should be enjoyed in moderation and with great respect and compassion to those animals who are used for it.
Reliique said 11 months ago

skull with hair said:
Reliique said: Eating meat is fine(Its natural and if you want to know the reason - ask god) Animal cruelty is wrong.

riiiiiiiight.

haha :))) By that i did mean historical reference to ancient cultures and surviving by hunting.
Time Without the E said 11 months ago

meat is amazing
:)
nearly every meal i eat has meat in it.

i think that killing innocent plants is wrong
aaron crawford said 11 months ago

i eat tonssss of veggies, usually salads on a daily basis. but i do love meat. i totally respect you for that though, i’d seriously rather see humans tortured and murdered, rather then seeing that happen to an animal. animals are innocent, and are only trying to survive. humans are much more disgusting and vile, and do far worse shit to eachother then animals do.

i don’t know. mad respect though.
MykeCatastrophic said 11 months ago

aaron crawford said: i eat tonssss of veggies, usually salads on a daily basis. but i do love meat. i totally respect you for that though, i’d seriously rather see humans tortured and murdered, rather then seeing that happen to an animal. animals are innocent, and are only trying to survive. humans are much more disgusting and vile, and do far worse shit to eachother then animals do. i don’t know. mad respect though.

I agree with that 100%.
skull with hair said 11 months ago

aaron crawford said: i eat tonssss of veggies, usually salads on a daily basis. but i do love meat. i totally respect you for that though, i’d seriously rather see humans tortured and murdered, rather then seeing that happen to an animal. animals are innocent, and are only trying to survive. humans are much more disgusting and vile, and do far worse shit to eachother then animals do. i don’t know. mad respect though.

it is obviously true that humans do far worse things to eachother than animals do, but it is an unfair comparison. animals are in no position to capitalize upon other species in the way that humans are so to imply that they are any more moral or better for that is irrelevant.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

MezXXX said:
heroes1985 said: being a veggie doest make you lose weight! the end!

its true. i know someone whos vegan and hes obese at the age of 27...

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:< out with friends. Keeping your head above the skim is difficult, but the actual methods of refusal of animal products are simple-- will power is an absolute minimum-- once your mind is made up... I can’t imagine ever giving up. I know many people who quit a few months in. The first week is honestly the hardest.

Hahha yeah--- "mom... I see the chicken buillion cubes right there.. So much for fucking veggie torellini"

oh gosh... first week was hell. the hardest was actually gettin through my parents. they hate the fact that im vegetarian and they would do anything to make me eat meat.

do your parents sneak meat in your meals?! mine do and it sucks.

now ive been cooking my own meals for the past 9 months haha
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

Reliique said:
skull with hair said:
Reliique said: Eating meat is fine(Its natural and if you want to know the reason - ask god) Animal cruelty is wrong.

riiiiiiiight.

haha :))) By that i did mean historical reference to ancient cultures and surviving by hunting.

....and then came agriculture.
Josh | Diamond Diet said 11 months ago

My girlfriend just read the book, "Skinny Bitch" and she’s seriously thinking about becoming a vegetarian... I don’t think I could do it because of convenience of meat and I like it so much.

Howeeeverrr... I got pretty upset when I was thinking about some of the shit they do to animals, it sucks.
skull with hair said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Reliique said:
skull with hair said:
Reliique said: Eating meat is fine(Its natural and if you want to know the reason - ask god) Animal cruelty is wrong.

riiiiiiiight.

haha :))) By that i did mean historical reference to ancient cultures and surviving by hunting.

....and then came agriculture.

hey, you started this thread so i’m very curious to see how you feel about the points i’ve raised. word!
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

skull with hair said:
thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Reliique said:
skull with hair said:
Reliique said: Eating meat is fine(Its natural and if you want to know the reason - ask god) Animal cruelty is ....and then came agriculture.

hey, you started this thread so i’m very curious to see how you feel about the points i’ve raised. word!

I think what you have said is very honest and extremely insightful. At the risk of sounding generic, you make quite a bit of sense.

I really liked how you mentioned the physical capability to tear flesh with teeth that humans possess--- and it’s evident that you agree with my stance being that "just because we can doesn’t make it right or ethical, regardless of the fact that it’s such a nonchalant thing (omnivorous tendencies)"
Josh | Diamond Diet said 11 months ago

thomcat said:
thisisPRESTIGIOUS said: I don’t have the 'betes.... No one ever had them from eating lettuce and grass clippings like I do :)

if you don’t eat meat, i should be allowed to hunt you.

mhmmmmm steak....

Mmmmm... intentional confrontation.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

Josh | Diamond Diet said:
thomcat said: if you don’t eat meat, i should be allowed to hunt you. mhmmmmm steak....

Mmmmm... intentional confrontation.

Easily ignored. I’ve put up with heckling like this since the first time anyone heard me say "sub beans, keep the cheese."

I welcome it. It only strengthens my argument and truly highlights aggressive ignorance such as quoted above.
j.odom said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Josh | Diamond Diet said:
thomcat said: if you don’t eat meat, i should be allowed to hunt you. mhmmmmm steak....

Mmmmm... intentional confrontation.

Easily ignored. I’ve put up with heckling like this since the first time anyone heard me say "sub beans, keep the cheese."

I welcome it. It only strengthens my argument and truly highlights aggressive ignorance such as quoted above.

ummmmmmm meeeaaaaattttttttttt..... wheres the A-1?
Robmcbride said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
derekdeal said: i guess im a pescatarian, cuz i still eat fish...i like my lifestyle now, i cant imagine pushing it further, but kudos to you.

you remind me of Conor Oberst in that sense. He started losing his vision and went to fish strictly on doctors orders. Every little bit helps the effort and sends the message that there can be a world with little demand for flesh of consumption.

Coner Oberst is rubbish. All he does is cry.

I used to date a Vegan.. It was beyond me. I eat meat, I drink lots, I used to do drugs.

Shoot me.
theButtonPress said 11 months ago

I’ve been a vegetarian for about 3 or 4 years now. I take in very little dairy and I avoid animal products in my clothes and shoes.
Master_Control said 11 months ago

skull with hair said:
MasterControl said: I have been vegan for a little over 3 years. Before that I ate like a fucking Lion. Meat for basically every meal. I just had an epiphany that it was fucked up to eat/take advantage of defenseless beings. I love animals and I can’t live an omnivorous lifestyle without a heavy conscience. It all comes down to respect (for nonhuman animals at least). if you don’t need it for survival then another being shouldn’t have to die for it. When there are alternatives to all things animal, then why waste the life of another being just so you can eat the "real thing". It’s the year 2008. It’s not necessary. Everyone brings up the "it’s been going on for years argument" like it justifies everything. Blacks were enslaved for a long time. Women couldn’t vote and still get treated unfairly. That stuff all used to be the norm. Societies advance and our society needs to advance beyond the exploitation of other living creatures and respect all beings as equals (ok, some humans are not equal).

you bring up a great point, this is almost exactly how i used to feel about this subject. humans, having the greatest intelligence of all animals, have the greatest responisbility to prevent needless suffering. i was vegan/vegetarian for an extended period of time and can assure anyone that you can live a healthy life without meat or even animal biproducts (see Mac Danzig).

my conflict lies in the idea that terminating life for any reason is immoral. this seems to be an ideal coveted by those of various religious faiths (ie. pro-life). in the same way that i do not see anything wrong with the elimination of an unwanted pregnancy, nor do i see anything immoral/wrong with the humane dispatching of an animal for the nourishment and enjoyment of human beings.

were i capable of suspending my rational brain long enough to be a person of any particular religious faith i may feel otherwise. but since there is no promise of any afterlife that will far surpass that of this world, simple pleasures such as meat have merit. i feel they should be enjoyed in moderation and with great respect and compassion to those animals who are used for it.

you’ve got some good insight on the issue, so it’s cool to actually have an interesting conversation with someone who has crossed back over haha.

i am in no way religious and i actually despise religion. i don’t have a lot of respect for the human race as a majority. too many people think only about themselves and the way their actions affect them and only them. it’s a harsh world and i most definitely understand that, but if someone can find pleasure in life without the needless massacre of billions of animals then i don’t know why so many oppose it. so many people are completely irrational about the subject. as if they have a moral obligation to criticize anyone who abstains from animal products.

i don’t call people out when they order a hamburger or w/e, but everyone seems like they need to make a comment when i ask the waiter/waitress if there is dairy/eggs/etc. in the food i’m ordering. it gets ridiculous. i don’t understand it.

it’s suprising how many people can’t understand what no animal products mean. it’s not just meat. it’s no dairy (milk, cheese, yogurt, whey, lactose, casein, etc, etc), no eggs, and no meat (yes, fish are animals too so that is meat as well).
gaunty said 11 months ago

my cousin is vegan and I see how much he suffers sometimes and gets run down. You really have to plan your eating well to be healthy. Fact is I love meat and I´m usually on the run so I don´t have time to hunt it down. In Spain it´s even harder and they don´t understand vegetarian let alone vegan. I bought a vegetarian sandwich here once and it had cheese tuna and processed ham! No meat here mean no blood dripping carcus in your food but doesn´t mean it won´t have some sort of meat product close by. Fair play to all who chose this life but I don´t need the extra hassle living like this right now.
beth said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Josh | Diamond Diet said:
thomcat said: if you don’t eat meat, i should be allowed to hunt you. mhmmmmm steak....

Mmmmm... intentional confrontation.

Easily ignored. I’ve put up with heckling like this since the first time anyone heard me say "sub beans, keep the cheese."

I welcome it. It only strengthens my argument and truly highlights aggressive ignorance such as quoted above.

Good for you!!! When I was in middleschool/high school they used to throw meat at me and I would cry...It was a horrible experience. then I got suspended from school for handing out propaganda and when on my break from school i went to the BK headquarters and protested....silly Broward County school district and your silly rules!!
Josh Elowsky said 11 months ago

My household is Vegetarian and we’re raising our kid that way. We talk sometimes about how when people find out you’re vegetarian or vegan (like our family in TX and AL) they get all defensive as if by being vegetarian we’re saying they’re wrong to eat meat. They instantly launch into "but it’s natural" or "in the Bible God gave man dominion over all things" etc etc. It’s no secret that it doesn’t hurt to eat meat in general except I’d seriously reconsider if what they’re eating is anything like the meat they’ve been given dominion over. A lot has changed in the world of 'food' since the days when you had to prepare your own.
caligulas said 11 months ago

im vegetarian and the other two people at rockett are vegan. we were once nominated for best clothing company by peta2 hollllla.

good stuff to everyone who supports that lifestyle. its nice to see :)
madMUHHH said 11 months ago

metaltron said: I don’t feel as though it is cruel to eat animals. In fact, I think it’s completely natural. Carnivorous animals have been eating other animals for thousands of years. Why? Because they have to in order to survive due to the nutrients that meat provides. We, as humans, are animals after all, correct? In that case we need the nourishment that meat provides (namely protein and B vitamins). I realize that there are alternate solutions to attaining these two components, but I don’t feel the need to pop a pill to get my daily protein. At the same time I am against unethical treatment of animals. I think throwing chickens around and mistreating cows is not needed. I am also against killing animals for the sake of the creation of clothing. This is all just my opinion. Of course I respect one’s decision to be vegetarian/vegan, but it’s definitely not for me.

Woah, totally agree thre!

But I still got a few things to say about the subject.

First of all I think that even though it was a joke Time without E’s statement "i think that killing innocent plants is wrong" is actually quite important for me.
I think many people tend to forget that plants are living beings too. Are plants worth less just because they don’t have some cute eyes with which they can stare at you?
If you want a good reason for not eating meat, it’s that animals can actually feel pain, whereas plans can’t.

So I think eating meat is perfectly fine, but we really should care more about what we eat and if the animal we eat had to suffer bad living conditions or a painful death. Also I think that eating less meat would actually have an advantage for most people, simply because it’s healthier. I personally don’t eat very much meat, btw.

And of course it’s not fair how many vegans/vegetarians get treated, because of their living style, but I also think nobody should force someone else to stop eating meat.
NVasion said 11 months ago

I am a vegetarian for over a year now. I sometimes think about going vegan but I never really tried it. It seems like a really big step. I could live without milk but without cheese? I’m not sure about that.

I am really skinny and a lot of people think it’s because I don’t eat meat. But I never noticed any weight loss during the time I changed my diet.
Master_Control said 11 months ago

madMUHHH said:
metaltron said: I don’t feel as though it is cruel to eat animals. In fact, I think it’s completely natural. Carnivorous animals have been eating other animals for thousands of years. Why? Because they have to in order to survive due to the nutrients that meat provides. We, as humans, are animals after all, correct? In that case we need the nourishment that meat provides (namely protein and B vitamins). I realize that there are alternate solutions to attaining these two components, but I don’t feel the need to pop a pill to get my daily protein. At the same time I am against unethical treatment of animals. I think throwing chickens around and mistreating cows is not needed. I am also against killing animals for the sake of the creation of clothing. This is all just my opinion. Of course I respect one’s decision to be vegetarian/vegan, but it’s definitely not for me.

Woah, totally agree thre!

But I still got a few things to say about the subject.

First of all I think that even though it was a joke Time without E’s statement "i think that killing innocent plants is wrong" is actually quite important for me.
I think many people tend to forget that plants are living beings too. Are plants worth less just because they don’t have some cute eyes with which they can stare at you?
If you want a good reason for not eating meat, it’s that animals can actually feel pain, whereas plans can’t.

So I think eating meat is perfectly fine, but we really should care more about what we eat and if the animal we eat had to suffer bad living conditions or a painful death. Also I think that eating less meat would actually have an advantage for most people, simply because it’s healthier. I personally don’t eat very much meat, btw.

And of course it’s not fair how many vegans/vegetarians get treated, because of their living style, but I also think nobody should force someone else to stop eating meat.

plants don’t have a central nervous system. run when you try to kill them. i don’t know how people can take themselves seriously when they bring up that argument. it holds no weight.

i used to be pretty militant about being vegan, but the older i get (in vegan years) i see that that’s not always the way to accomplish things. i now find that i’m on the other side of the fence though. while i’m not pressuring other people into not eating animals, people find it necessary to constantly badger me and try to get me to change. i’m over meat eaters whining about how veg(etari)ans try to convert them when most of them are constantly talking shit on others.

On the animal cruelty topic. There is no humane way to take life away from another being. Killing is cruel. Period.
madMUHHH said 11 months ago

MasterControl said: plants don’t have a central nervous system. run when you try to kill them. i don’t know how people can take themselves seriously when they bring up that argument. it holds no weight.

I already said in the post above that I know that animals can feel pain and plants can not and of course that’s a valid argument. I just said that I think that many people ignore the fact that plants are living beings too and have the same right to live on this planet as animals.

MasterControl said: Killing is cruel. Period.
That’s not really true. When you die a giant amount of endorphines is pumped into your blood making you feel really good. (That’s proven and there are several people close to death who can confirm that). So if you make it hurt just a bit dying is fun. ^^
I still get your point and I may have to revise my statement. You should try to avoid any unnecessary cruelty when breeding and killing animals for food.
rich.a said 11 months ago

you wait when the next ice age rolls round

and non of your precious plants can grow i bet you wont feel so bad then

:]
derekdeal said 11 months ago

heroes1985 said: you wait when the next ice age rolls round and non of your precious plants can grow i bet you wont feel so bad then :]

if that happens im so caving and having a mastodon burger
thebutcher said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said: Easily ignored. I’ve put up with heckling like this since the first time anyone heard me say "sub beans, keep the cheese." I welcome it. It only strengthens my argument and truly highlights aggressive ignorance such as quoted above.

Aggressive ignorance? You gotta be kidding me dude. I don’t even see what your argument is. If that’s your lifestyle, that’s your choice. But if your argument is that everyone should do likewise, don’t put that shit on me. Sounds like another xXx chat.

last anthem || j.odom said: ummmmmmm meeeaaaaattttttttttt..... wheres the A-1?

I prefer:
skull with hair said 11 months ago

this discussion is all over the place (expected, its the internet). i too think it is annoying when people are ignorant about people being vegetarian. it sucks being treated different for anything, but it happens and you’ll be fine.

as for peoples defensiveness and "aggressive ignorance" you really only have organizations like Peta to thank for that. instead of taking a moderate approach and trying to lure people to vegetarianism in small steps (logical) they try to shock people and make them feel bad for living the way they do. all this accomplishes is making people get defensive, pissed, and some actually hate you. vegetarianism has extremely bad PR due to Peta (amongst others). i think they are making your life as a vegetarian more difficult and making vegetarianism/veganism far less appealing to the masses.

the real question is:

if you had the power to make eating meat illegal, would you do it?
Josh Elowsky said 11 months ago

thomcat said:
thisisPRESTIGIOUS said: Easily ignored. I’ve put up with heckling like this since the first time anyone heard me say "sub beans, keep the cheese." I welcome it. It only strengthens my argument and truly highlights aggressive ignorance such as quoted above.

Aggressive ignorance? You gotta be kidding me dude. I don’t even see what your argument is. If that’s your lifestyle, that’s your choice. But if your argument is that everyone should do likewise, don’t put that shit on me. Sounds like another xXx chat.

last anthem || j.odom said: ummmmmmm meeeaaaaattttttttttt..... wheres the A-1?

I prefer:

You’ve missed the point in other posts but I’ll try to clarify for you here.
You’re having a great time posting pictures of steak and the things you like to put on steak as a response to someone talking about their non-meat lifestyle. That’s the heckling he’s talking about and those pictures make it aggressive. Ignorance comes in to play when you don’t offer any intelligent response and instead just heckle someone.

And he’s not making an argument nor is he trying to convince you to not eat meat. This is like what I said before about how some people react defensively as if it’s an attack against their meat eating lifestyle if someone else is veg(etari)an. As if it’s a comment on them. It’s not all about you. In fact it’s the exclusion of your lifestyle which should have no affect on you.

I think it’s a personal choice to eat meat or to not eat meat. Like abortion, or religion these things shouldn’t be forced on or kept from people but people should at least educate themselves to the facts about those things. If you still want to eat meat or not eat meat afterwards then you’ve made an educated choice and have no reason to feel defensive about someone else’s choices.
rich.a said 11 months ago

i think these are all personal choices
but the fact you feel the need to publicly tell people your vegeterianism makes me doubt the reason you dont eat meat at all

sorry to people who have strong views on this but it is "cool" to not eat meat at the moment

if you want to eat meat eat it if you dont dont

dont tell me becasue i do i believe in animal cruelty and murder

the fact that you started this who else believes in an animal cruelty free world kinda implies if we eat meat we like animal cruelty which is shit!
thebutcher said 11 months ago

cajun metal said: You’ve missed the point in other posts but I’ll try to clarify for you here. You’re having a great time posting pictures of steak and the things you like to put on steak as a response to someone talking about their non-meat lifestyle. That’s the heckling he’s talking about and those pictures make it aggressive. Ignorance comes in to play when you don’t offer any intelligent response and instead just heckle someone. And he’s not making an argument nor is he trying to convince you to not eat meat. This is like what I said before about how some people react defensively as if it’s an attack against their meat eating lifestyle if someone else is veg(etari)an. As if it’s a comment on them. It’s not all about you. In fact it’s the exclusion of your lifestyle which should have no affect on you. I think it’s a personal choice to eat meat or to not eat meat. Like abortion, or religion these things shouldn’t be forced on or kept from people but people should at least educate themselves to the facts about those things. If you still want to eat meat or not eat meat afterwards then you’ve made an educated choice and have no reason to feel defensive about someone else’s choices.

Fair enough. I made a silly comment or two to lighten the mood. This place was getting as dreary as a slaughter house.

To be (Ball Park) frank(s), I don’t care what he chooses to eat or not eat. The mis(steak) is that there’s this idea that meat eaters, like myself, are just openly attacking vegetarians like it’s some religious/racial war.

Complain about being treated differently to an African American family living in Alabama in the 1960s or Rosa Parks for that matter. It’s like comparing apples to oranges... or pork to chicken for that matter!

And I agree, there are SOME that are doing it because they feel its trendy. Sad but true.
derekdeal said 11 months ago

skull with hair said: this discussion is all over the place (expected, its the internet). i too think it is annoying when people are ignorant about people being vegetarian. it sucks being treated different for anything, but it happens and you’ll be fine. as for peoples defensiveness and "aggressive ignorance" you really only have organizations like Peta to thank for that. instead of taking a moderate approach and trying to lure people to vegetarianism in small steps (logical) they try to shock people and make them feel bad for living the way they do. all this accomplishes is making people get defensive, pissed, and some actually hate you. vegetarianism has extremely bad PR due to Peta (amongst others). i think they are making your life as a vegetarian more difficult and making vegetarianism/veganism far less appealing to the masses. the real question is: if you had the power to make eating meat illegal, would you do it?

i think thats huge, i hate the notion that there has to be a term attached to what i put in my body or that im somehow guilty by association to groups like Peta because of how i eat. There such a macho stigma around meat consumption...shit, there would never be a veggie product called man-wich. But to me its not as much about saving the animals but about being aware of what im ingesting and my own personal wellness. The environmental impacts are close behind and then animal cruelty.
I think if more people were educated about food production ans nutrition they would make conscious efforts to curb their eating habits for their own reasons. Its all really personal, i realize its something that everyone does, but it seems like a funny thing to create groups and associations about. We all shit, but i dont see anyone making up organizations surrounding poo poo.
rich.a said 11 months ago

derekdeal said:
skull with hair said: this discussion is all over the place (expected, its the internet). i too think it is annoying when people are ignorant about people being vegetarian. it sucks being treated different for anything, but it happens and you’ll be fine. as for peoples defensiveness and "aggressive ignorance" you really only have organizations like Peta to thank for that. instead of taking a moderate approach and trying to lure people to vegetarianism in small steps (logical) they try to shock people and make them feel bad for living the way they do. all this accomplishes is making people get defensive, pissed, and some actually hate you. vegetarianism has extremely bad PR due to Peta (amongst others). i think they are making your life as a vegetarian more difficult and making vegetarianism/veganism far less appealing to the masses. the real question is: if you had the power to make eating meat illegal, would you do it?

i think thats huge, i hate the notion that there has to be a term attached to what i put in my body or that im somehow guilty by association to groups like Peta because of how i eat. There such a macho stigma around meat consumption...shit, there would never be a veggie product called man-wich. But to me its not as much about saving the animals but about being aware of what im ingesting and my own personal wellness. The environmental impacts are close behind and then animal cruelty.
I think if more people were educated about food production ans nutrition they would make conscious efforts to curb their eating habits for their own reasons. Its all really personal, i realize its something that everyone does, but it seems like a funny thing to create groups and associations about. We all shit, but i dont see anyone making up organizations surrounding poo poo.

speak for yourself fibre wonder krew fo life !!!!!!!!
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

it becomes an arguement when I am forced to defend myself against images of worcestershire sauce accusations of imposing a belief. My family and best friends whom I love very, very much do not agree with my beliefs-- I am not here to preach.

This decision is my own, with no reprocussions to any human besides me. I am know your kind-- knock things and talk shit to be the funny guy. It’s cool to break tension with humor; I do it all the time. But not online.
Let’s be serious. TBone steak images? Who is getting shit thrown at them?

Please reassess your counterarguement without being petty.

I’m sorry to digress, everyone. Thank you for all the posting!
dobi said 11 months ago

a life without chicken is a life not worth living. poultry ftw.
Josh Elowsky said 11 months ago

thomcat said:
cajun metal said: You’ve missed the point in other posts but I’ll try to clarify for you here. You’re having a great time posting pictures of steak and the things you like to put on steak as a response to someone talking about their non-meat lifestyle. That’s the heckling he’s talking about and those pictures make it aggressive. Ignorance comes in to play when you don’t offer any intelligent response and instead just heckle someone. And he’s not making an argument nor is he trying to convince you to not eat meat. This is like what I said before about how some people react defensively as if it’s an attack against their meat eating lifestyle if someone else is veg(etari)an. As if it’s a comment on them. It’s not all about you. In fact it’s the exclusion of your lifestyle which should have no affect on you. I think it’s a personal choice to eat meat or to not eat meat. Like abortion, or religion these things shouldn’t be forced on or kept from people but people should at least educate themselves to the facts about those things. If you still want to eat meat or not eat meat afterwards then you’ve made an educated choice and have no reason to feel defensive about someone else’s choices.

Fair enough. I made a silly comment or two to lighten the mood. This place was getting as dreary as a slaughter house.

To be (Ball Park) frank(s), I don’t care what he chooses to eat or not eat. The mis(steak) is that there’s this idea that meat eaters, like myself, are just openly attacking vegetarians like it’s some religious/racial war.

Complain about being treated differently to an African American family living in Alabama in the 1960s or Rosa Parks for that matter. It’s like comparing apples to oranges... or pork to chicken for that matter!

And I agree, there are SOME that are doing it because they feel its trendy. Sad but true.

I don’t think meat eaters openly attack vegetarians, I think some meat eaters take people being vegetarian as an attack, as if by choosing not to eat meat they’re saying something
about you personally. Also I don’t remember anyone in this thread equating the vegetarian stance with the civil rights movement. But I can tell you this: being from Alabama and being any kind of different will get you harassed.

skull with hair said: this discussion is all over the place (expected, its the internet). i too think it is annoying when people are ignorant about people being vegetarian. it sucks being treated different for anything, but it happens and you’ll be fine. as for peoples defensiveness and "aggressive ignorance" you really only have organizations like Peta to thank for that. instead of taking a moderate approach and trying to lure people to vegetarianism in small steps (logical) they try to shock people and make them feel bad for living the way they do. all this accomplishes is making people get defensive, pissed, and some actually hate you. vegetarianism has extremely bad PR due to Peta (amongst others). i think they are making your life as a vegetarian more difficult and making vegetarianism/veganism far less appealing to the masses. the real question is: if you had the power to make eating meat illegal, would you do it?

I agree with what you say about the bad PR. But as for making meat illegal? I think, like you, that a more subtle approach is necessary with the goal of exposing the process of getting/preparing meat for what it is and thus changing how that happens rather than the goal being to get people to stop eating meat.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

I got that in the beginning, too. Several musicians and bands promoted animal rights. The world of professional skateboarding has a handful of openly vegan and vegetarian enthusiasts. But trends die with time, some ressurected, some not. It all depends on how the individual behave in that regard. It’s a way of life. I don’t introduce myself to new people and let them know ip front that we won’t be going out for fucking veal kabobs anytime soon.

Preach to the choir, as they say-- I do not want that here.

I simply wanted to see who else agrees and shares a similar daily habit.

I thank skull with hair and cajun for acting as voices of reason here. Keep it coming on the posts, everyone.

Thank you all again for the input and opinions.
rich.a said 11 months ago

i think vegitareans forget clothes and food are not the only impact humanity has on animals

thats all im saying on this issue

also im from britain and i think we have alot more respect for meat most people i know only eat brittish locally sourced meat

98 percent of our eggs are also free range and all our chicken is getting this way

and really anyone who doesnt eat meat over here doesnt get spoke down to at all i was a vegitarian for 14 years before any questions me as my mother was (i also had a healthy balanced diet and maintained a healthy weight and got sick the average amount of time)

and PS you still started your post with who else believes in a world of animal cruelty free?

implying that unless if you do eat meat you do believe in this

which i feel is where the only tensions comes from ,Not from meat eaters sorry just my opinion
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

there have been several posts regarding cruelty free meat prep. from people who aren’t vegetarian, IMPLYING that there is a way that the meat industry is capable of doing things differently and more humane.

You don’t have to be an outspoken animal rights activist to see that there is a tremendous ethical issue at hand in terms of livestock and poultry preslaughter treatment.
Master_Control said 11 months ago

Godmachine said: I doubt I will ever be free or innocent in these terms- but in the words of my hero Ian MacKaye: at least I’m fucking trying.

Well said man. I completely agree.

There’s so many people that just don’t try or care to try. The only thing that matters is what happens in there little closed of world.

By being vegan I am not going to end animal cruelty or end starvation in Africa, but I am doing as much as I comfortably can.
Josh Elowsky said 11 months ago

MasterControl said:
Godmachine said: I doubt I will ever be free or innocent in these terms- but in the words of my hero Ian MacKaye: at least I’m fucking trying.

Well said man. I completely agree.

There’s so many people that just don’t try or care to try. The only thing that matters is what happens in there little closed of world.

By being vegan I am not going to end animal cruelty or end starvation in Africa, but I am doing as much as I comfortably can.

yup. you gotta be the change you want to see in the world.
thebutcher said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said: It’s cool to break tension with humor; I do it all the time. But not online.

Cause the internet is real life.
FunForAllKids said 11 months ago

I’ve been a vegetarian for 3 years, now I’m easing my way into veganism. I made this choice because I am agaisnt social hierarchy, I am against treating animals as products. It always blew my mind that these crazy fundamentalist religious groups that are against abortion, and stem cell research eat animals that are genetically altered by humans and only exist because of humans. If you’d like to go kill an animal in the wild with your bare hands then so be it, I guess you’ve earned that meal. But You can live a perfectly normal easy going lifestyle without meat.

"No More, just looking out for myself.
When the price paid is the life of something else.
No More, I won’t participate."
- Youth of Today
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

thomcat said:
thisisPRESTIGIOUS said: It’s cool to break tension with humor; I do it all the time. But not online.

Cause the internet is real life.

No, it isn’t. Everyone is overconfident and unaccountable. Basic people skills are indispensable. Please shift your focus off of me and onto bigger things, such as the focus of this thread.
gabroll said 11 months ago

I was reading this/into it until someone forgot to turn the dang italics off.
Randomentity said 11 months ago

i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal.
i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance.
how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?
Master_Control said 11 months ago

Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

not quite a valid excuse. i can make a mean batch of seitan for much cheaper than it would cost me to go out and buy chicken, which it is comparable to.

i am vegan and do not eat honey or wear silk.

the statement that humans are meant to eat meat is just a theory. it can be contested with another theory claiming that humans are not designed to eat meat.

here’s a very good anatomical comparison chart.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

That’s a great question. Many vegans do not consider honey to be a cruelty food as the honey is merely taken/ harvested, like fallen fruit, rather than raped from a creature with it’s heart still beating.

Then there’s the wool issue-- alpaca and sheep need to be sheared for their well being, and in the new England summer heat this can aid their health (domesticated farm animals, alpaca are obviously not indiginous to massachusetts..)

Thoughts on the above, anyone?
Master_Control said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

That’s a great question. Many vegans do not consider honey to be a cruelty food as the honey is merely taken/ harvested, like fallen fruit, rather than raped from a creature with it’s heart still beating.

Then there’s the wool issue-- alpaca and sheep need to be sheared for their well being, and in the new England summer heat this can aid their health (domesticated farm animals, alpaca are obviously not indiginous to massachusetts..)

Thoughts on the above, anyone?

I think if I knew EXACTLY where and what animal my wool came from, then I would consider wearing it.

I am occasionally lenient when it comes to honey. I’ll only eat it if it’s a small ingredient in something that is hard for me to avoid depending on a given situation (ie being at a friends/eating out/free food). I will not purchase it however.
beth said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

That’s a great question. Many vegans do not consider honey to be a cruelty food as the honey is merely taken/ harvested, like fallen fruit, rather than raped from a creature with it’s heart still beating.

Then there’s the wool issue-- alpaca and sheep need to be sheared for their well being, and in the new England summer heat this can aid their health (domesticated farm animals, alpaca are obviously not indiginous to massachusetts..)

Thoughts on the above, anyone?

I dont eat hunny because:

1. Its sticky and I am afraid of sticky stuff....yeaaa yeaa I have heard all of the seamen jokes
2. Its fucking Bee Barf!!! I dont run around and eat my own vomit from when I drink to much for goodness sake! And that shit came out of my mouth!!!!
3. Why does it come from inside a bear....what do they have to do with honey?! I just dont trust it....

I dont ware wool because:::
1. Its itchy
2. I live in SoCal....Its constantly 80deg and sunny!
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

beth said:
thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

That’s a great question. Many vegans do not consider honey to be a cruelty food as the honey is merely taken/ harvested, like fallen fruit, rather than raped from a creature with it’s heart still beating.

Then there’s the wool issue-- alpaca and sheep need to be sheared for their well being, and in the new England summer heat this can aid their health (domesticated farm animals, alpaca are obviously not indiginous to massachusetts..)

Thoughts on the above, anyone?

I dont eat hunny because:

1. Its sticky and I am afraid of sticky stuff....yeaaa yeaa I have heard all of the seamen jokes
2. Its fucking Bee Barf!!! I dont run around and eat my own vomit from when I drink to much for goodness sake! And that shit came out of my mouth!!!!
3. Why does it come from inside a bear....what do they have to do with honey?! I just dont trust it....

I dont ware wool because:::
1. Its itchy
2. I live in SoCal....Its constantly 80deg and sunny!

The SoCal part makes sense. It’s rumored that bears love honey (or maybe just Disney character bears) but somehow society just seems to associate bears with honey. Mind blowing, I know.

When I went to Los Angeles in january last year, I wore my homemade shorts and flip flops everyday, and the people we stayed with thought I was insane since it was so cold.

In Massachusetts, usually in the middle of January, it drops to about 3 or 4 degrees farenheit for about 10 days, then warms back up to the high twenties until about the middle of march sometimes.

In LA, it didnt drop below 60 during the day so needless to say I was comfortable in my shorts and flip flops.

I get the whole wool in heat thing, though.
Randomentity said 11 months ago

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

That’s a great question. Many vegans do not consider honey to be a cruelty food as the honey is merely taken/ harvested, like fallen fruit, rather than raped from a creature with it’s heart still beating.

Then there’s the wool issue-- alpaca and sheep need to be sheared for their well being, and in the new England summer heat this can aid their health (domesticated farm animals, alpaca are obviously not indiginous to massachusetts..)

Thoughts on the above, anyone?

obviously you’ve never seen honey "harvested" or know anything about bee society. Honey is the nutritional substance given to the young, when they take the honey from the combs using a giant blade that scrapes it off, it kills hundreds of bees, when they take out the palettes that the bees make their hive in, they smoke them out, essentially choking them and causing them to pass out, quite a number of the hive don’t survive the ordeal. But who cares right? they’re just insects. It’s disgusting.
and the senseless outright slaughter of moth larvae for a fucking tie or some underwear makes me just plain angry.
rich.a said 11 months ago

MasterControl said:
Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

not quite a valid excuse. i can make a mean batch of seitan for much cheaper than it would cost me to go out and buy chicken, which it is comparable to.

i am vegan and do not eat honey or wear silk.

the statement that humans are meant to eat meat is just a theory. it can be contested with another theory claiming that humans are not designed to eat meat.

here’s a very good anatomical comparison chart.

what did humans live on during the ice age?

what about eskimos without meat they would die end of :]

the fact that the chart doesnt take into account the evolution of humans i believe we would have alot more in common with the omnivore if it was humans 500,000 years ago but obviously our bodys have evolved as our brains have developed

and pulling a chart from one scientists book doesnt prove anything
there will be a million different theories on this :]

also there hundreds of indigenous forest tribes who still use same techniques and eating habbits as there ancestors from thousands of years ago and they still all heavily rely on animals for food

so sorry there is no way your going to ever prove to me that humans are not meant to eat meat purely on a scientific level (not taking peoples personal opinions or beliefs into account)

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william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

Randomentity said:
thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

That’s a great question. Many vegans do not consider honey to be a cruelty food as the honey is merely taken/ harvested, like fallen fruit, rather than raped from a creature with it’s heart still beating.

Then there’s the wool issue-- alpaca and sheep need to be sheared for their well being, and in the new England summer heat this can aid their health (domesticated farm animals, alpaca are obviously not indiginous to massachusetts..)

Thoughts on the above, anyone?

obviously you’ve never seen honey "harvested" or know anything about bee society. Honey is the nutritional substance given to the young, when they take the honey from the combs using a giant blade that scrapes it off, it kills hundreds of bees, when they take out the palettes that the bees make their hive in, they smoke them out, essentially choking them and causing them to pass out, quite a number of the hive don’t survive the ordeal. But who cares right? they’re just insects. It’s disgusting.
and the senseless outright slaughter of moth larvae for a fucking tie or some underwear makes me just plain angry.

Agreed. With most followings, members try to justify a means to where they draw the line. examples:

"I drink milk becuase the cow was not killed for it."

"I wear a silk ascot becuause there were no silk monsters harmed in the making of it."

As you so eloquently quoted me stating, "many vegans do not consider...."

I don’t recall revealing my personal stance on the matter. I merely gave one side, which you misinterpretted as my being ingnorant in regards to the very thread i began with no implication of excluding anyone or making anyone feel uncomfortable by doing so.

There is no need for hostility here.

I appreciate you shining light on what many people brush off as insignificant or unimportant, when in fact it is niether of those. Honey harvesting is in fact a cruel conglomerate of an industry, and as with many of the like there are a few mom and pop farms that do it right with minimal cruelty and without $500,000 consuptive harvesting machines. In terms of heavy commercial honey harvesting, I agree with you 100%-- it is extremely cruel and inhumane.

Very good post. Let try to keep the ideas brewing here.
skull with hair said 11 months ago

Randomentity said:
thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

That’s a great question. Many vegans do not consider honey to be a cruelty food as the honey is merely taken/ harvested, like fallen fruit, rather than raped from a creature with it’s heart still beating.

Then there’s the wool issue-- alpaca and sheep need to be sheared for their well being, and in the new England summer heat this can aid their health (domesticated farm animals, alpaca are obviously not indiginous to massachusetts..)

Thoughts on the above, anyone?

obviously you’ve never seen honey "harvested" or know anything about bee society. Honey is the nutritional substance given to the young, when they take the honey from the combs using a giant blade that scrapes it off, it kills hundreds of bees, when they take out the palettes that the bees make their hive in, they smoke them out, essentially choking them and causing them to pass out, quite a number of the hive don’t survive the ordeal. But who cares right? they’re just insects. It’s disgusting.
and the senseless outright slaughter of moth larvae for a fucking tie or some underwear makes me just plain angry.

yeah, i can honestly say you lost me on this one. you’ve got to pick your battles, and i think the "senseless outright slaughter of moth larvae" is one that just may have to fall by the wayside if you have any hopes of seeing the general population treat animals better.
rich.a said 11 months ago

also maybe if you love animals so much you should get off your pc global warming is gonna kill every animal on the planet eventually

this is a joke mearly to point out we have a bigger impact on the natural world than just eating them
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

In regards to what skull w/ hair said about "the general population", here is some food for thought;

When Burger King started serving the garden burger a few years back, the recipe was Vegan. It was prepared away from meat and was served to Peta approved standards, according to www.peta2.org

In more recent years, it was unveiled that burger king had began using a different veggie patty that was of a non-vegan compsure, perhaps containg egg whites or cheese flavoring, who really knows.

My point here is that to actualyl prove to companies like Burger King and subway (who also offers a non-vegan veggie patty) is that refusing to purchase these items becuase they are not 100% vegan sends them the wrong message. It tells them that there is no market for such a product, and eventually, they will reconsider offering a vegetarian/vegan option at all.

Again, this is simply food for thought: i am not advising any "pure" vegan to break rank and consume an animal product. This is one battle, as skull w/ hair said above, that should be chosen.

The idea is to show companies that there is support for non-meat alternatives. Refusing to buy these tells them on paper that there is no such support from the community worth serving to.

thoughts?
derekdeal said 11 months ago

thats really a complex issue and brings up a whole other argument. Is it ok to purchase vegan menu items from a business that predominantly serves meat? I would think you’d want to encourage these vendors to carry more meat-free options, but how far should vegans go in their abstinence. Personally i dont really have a problem with it, but the only place like that that i frequent is the bell, cuz its impossible to resist.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

Taco bell has a few Vegan options. Almost any item can be cheese-less, sourcream-less and subbed with beans.

It all depends on whether you trust the food prep (glove changes, prep. area contact, whatever.)
rich.a said 11 months ago

meh i think these fast food places are all the problem

use more local shops (not supermarkets) family butchers who take pride in the meat they sell you

local veg shops

buying vegan products from these places just helps them grow bigger thus harming more animals in a round about way : ]
Randomentity said 11 months ago

I had been searching for this..
hideouscarwreck said 11 months ago

all of you should just move here to austin. we have about 98904034348 vegan and vegetarian restaurants, just sayin'
Master_Control said 11 months ago

heroes1985 said:
MasterControl said:
Randomentity said: i like meat, i don’t like animal cruelty. but alas, i’m way too poor to hunt down expensive cruelty free meat. and it’s expensive because so few companies/farms are doing it and it’s a huge deal. i know that humans are meant to eat meat, and honestly i don’t care what animal it comes from, I’d eat another person in a heartbeat given the chance. how many of you vegetarians/vegans eat honey and wear silk?

not quite a valid excuse. i can make a mean batch of seitan for much cheaper than it would cost me to go out and buy chicken, which it is comparable to.

i am vegan and do not eat honey or wear silk.

the statement that humans are meant to eat meat is just a theory. it can be contested with another theory claiming that humans are not designed to eat meat.

here’s a very good anatomical comparison chart.

what did humans live on during the ice age?

what about eskimos without meat they would die end of :]

the fact that the chart doesnt take into account the evolution of humans i believe we would have alot more in common with the omnivore if it was humans 500,000 years ago but obviously our bodys have evolved as our brains have developed

and pulling a chart from one scientists book doesnt prove anything
there will be a million different theories on this :]

also there hundreds of indigenous forest tribes who still use same techniques and eating habbits as there ancestors from thousands of years ago and they still all heavily rely on animals for food

so sorry there is no way your going to ever prove to me that humans are not meant to eat meat purely on a scientific level (not taking peoples personal opinions or beliefs into account)

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i don’t know if you just lack the attention span or are a poor reader, but i clearly stated that that chart was a THEORY contesting another THEORY. that’s all there is...theories. just like in the world of theology. we can’t prove anything.

i have NOTHING against societies that rely on animal consumption and use as part of survival, but NO ONE on emptees can say that they live in one of these societies currently. i fully support those types of societies (ie tribes in africa, south america, island countries, alaska, etc.) if i lived in a society like that, where the animal is respected and every bit of the animal is used with no waste for SURVIVAL i would have no problem.

however, i live in a developed country where there is no need for animals for my survival, so i’ll abstain from the "unnecessities".

i really can’t understand why people like you have to bring up the fact that some of our ancient ancestors ate meat. according to a lot of studies, there were also many cultures in ancient times that ate a vegetable based diet.

and as to your "get off your pc" line. no diet is more beneficial to the environment than a vegan diet. this is proven. the carbon footprint of person living a meat free diet is substantially different from that of one who consumes animal products. in addition to my vegan lifestyle, i drive my car maybe 3 or 4 times a month (for groceries and to drive to the transit station). i am an avid cyclist and ride my bike everday and everywhere.

i stopped eating fast food like 2 years before i became vegan just because it was so unhealthy. i do agree with your comment about food, wholly. if you’re going to buy "vegan" food from a fast food restaurant you might as well just buy a burger because your money is just supporting that company and industry as a whole.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

hideouscarwreck said: all of you should just move here to austin. we have about 98904034348 vegan and vegetarian restaurants, just sayin'

Texas is where it’s at. Good tip.
hideouscarwreck said 11 months ago

MasterControl said: and as to your "get off your pc" line. no diet is more beneficial to the environment than a vegan diet. this is proven. the carbon footprint of person living a meat free diet is substantially different from that of one who consumes animal products. in addition to my vegan lifestyle, i drive my car maybe 3 or 4 times a month (for groceries and to drive to the transit station). i am an avid cyclist and ride my bike everday and everywhere.

just on another topic ... that is seriously awesome of you. when i get older i would love to live in a city where i can walk / bike rather than rely on a car.
rich.a said 11 months ago

however, i live in a developed country where there is no need for animals for my survival, so i’ll abstain from the "unnecessities".

sorry im done this is just starting to sound like the same propaganda thats get thrown at people all the time from certain companies like meat is murder

also viva la party size sausage roll
thebutcher said 11 months ago

bring those to tea time : ]
Master_Control said 11 months ago

Randomentity said: I had been searching for this..

hahaha
Master_Control said 11 months ago

heroes1985 said: however, i live in a developed country where there is no need for animals for my survival, so i’ll abstain from the "unnecessities". sorry im done this is just starting to sound like the same propaganda thats get thrown at people all the time from certain companies like meat is murder also viva la party size sausage roll

Pictures: The eject button of insightful conversations.

That would make a good poster.
Master_Control said 11 months ago

hideouscarwreck said:
MasterControl said: and as to your "get off your pc" line. no diet is more beneficial to the environment than a vegan diet. this is proven. the carbon footprint of person living a meat free diet is substantially different from that of one who consumes animal products. in addition to my vegan lifestyle, i drive my car maybe 3 or 4 times a month (for groceries and to drive to the transit station). i am an avid cyclist and ride my bike everday and everywhere.

just on another topic ... that is seriously awesome of you. when i get older i would love to live in a city where i can walk / bike rather than rely on a car.

it’s awesome being able to do that. i lived in two cities before here where it was impractical to do so, but now that i’m in the bay area it’s not hard at all.
thebutcher said 11 months ago

MasterControl said:
heroes1985 said: however, i live in a developed country where there is no need for animals for my survival, so i’ll abstain from the "unnecessities". sorry im done this is just starting to sound like the same propaganda thats get thrown at people all the time from certain companies like meat is murder also viva la party size sausage roll

Pictures: The eject button of insightful conversations.

That would make a good poster.

why don’t you illy it and post it on here?
Master_Control said 11 months ago

thomcat said:
MasterControl said:
heroes1985 said: however, i live in a developed country where there is no need for animals for my survival, so i’ll abstain from the "unnecessities". sorry im done this is just starting to sound like the same propaganda thats get thrown at people all the time from certain companies like meat is murder also viva la party size sausage roll

Pictures: The eject button of insightful conversations.

That would make a good poster.

why don’t you illy it and post it on here?

I almost did haha. Maybe when I get off work.
ampersandclan said 11 months ago

hopefully i can still get a word in? :D

i’ve been a lacto vegetarian for a year now while my family are still meat-eaters. at first, they turned "vegetarian" into "anorexic" (i think this pissed me off the most), refused to buy any vegetarian/vegan products for me, and my sister taunted me with chicken and hot sauce (i’m not kidding.) then they pretty much resigned themselves to it. my mom now buys me whatever product i need (mm, morningstar) and even found me a great vegan/vegetarian restaurant/salad bar (SWEET TOMATOES, get on it.) i’m hoping to become a full blown vegan when i move out, with a little help, of course.

i really don’t think they understand it, but for me, i realized that i just couldn’t eat meat anymore. for one, it was animal cruelty/DEAD ANIMAL IN MOUTH, but it was also the resource-wasting and pollution, etc. i still have to explain the process/reasons to people when meeting them/eating in public, but it’s worth it.

the thing is, i won’t get in your face about it. i know plenty of vegetarian folks who will condemn you for eating meat in their presence, but i could care less. i don’t believe in sentencing other people to death for their choices, as long as they don’t shun me. i know not everyone’s comfortable with the lifestyle, and that’s cool, but no, you can’t have any of my morningstar. :)

thisisPRESTIGIOUS said:
hideouscarwreck said: all of you should just move here to austin. we have about 98904034348 vegan and vegetarian restaurants, just sayin'

not houston! rib city 24/7.

Texas is where it’s at. Good tip.
gonehoggin84 said 11 months ago

the animals are already dead, might as well eat them
Master_Control said 11 months ago

gonehoggin84 said: the animals are already dead, might as well eat them

if only the food industry just gathered animals that were already dead...
rich.a said 11 months ago

MasterControl said:
gonehoggin84 said: the animals are already dead, might as well eat them

if only the food industry just gathered animals that were already dead...

what! they dont no way thats a lie
Master_Control said 11 months ago

heroes1985 said:
MasterControl said:
gonehoggin84 said: the animals are already dead, might as well eat them

if only the food industry just gathered animals that were already dead...

what! they dont no way thats a lie

yeah man! isn’t that just crazy!?
rich.a said 11 months ago

MADNESS
Dave!PTS said 11 months ago

I’ve been a veggie for years, it kind of took a video nasty by Goldfinger to tip me over the edge, although my parents said I was always funny about eating meat ever since I was little. I don’t think I have enough self discipline to go the whole hog (wordplay.. brilliant) and be a vegan, but I have the utmost respect for anyone that can.
{miles to go} said 11 months ago

ive been vegetarian for over a year now and before was a meat eater everyday. i ate the fake stuff too, but i was lazy and go all the fats food junk which is really horrible for you.

my cholesterol was high thanks to my dad and i decided to cut out meat for a month to change my eating habits, cook from home more, etc. after a month i really didnt miss it at all. granted, i did work in a vegetarian restaurant for 2 yrs and ate fake stuff anyway so the transition wasnt hard.

at this point the idea of eating meat seems odd but i dont have any problems around friends although taunts happen like the gross bucket of wings my buddy was eating yesterday.

the one point which is really just annoying is i hate being the "vegetarian" when invited over to eat, say at the gf’s house, etc. not that people seem to really care but i sometimes feel bad for being that guy. not that it would make me eat meat again, but thats the one downside in my opinion.
Josh Elowsky said 11 months ago

I’m vegetarian. My friend’s father-in-law hunted/killed/prepared jerky from a deer and I had no problem eating it. After thinking about it I couldn’t help but think that his hunting process might have been similar to that of the people I know back home who basically sit in a tree overlooking a field of grass peppered with some sort of feed that the deers come to (i.e. no hunting involved).
What do you guys think? For me, in the context of modern food, I’d prefer not to touch meat because of the scandalous way makes it to the store.
skull with hair said 11 months ago

{miles to go} said: ive been vegetarian for over a year now and before was a meat eater everyday. i ate the fake stuff too, but i was lazy and go all the fats food junk which is really horrible for you. my cholesterol was high thanks to my dad and i decided to cut out meat for a month to change my eating habits, cook from home more, etc. after a month i really didnt miss it at all. granted, i did work in a vegetarian restaurant for 2 yrs and ate fake stuff anyway so the transition wasnt hard. at this point the idea of eating meat seems odd but i dont have any problems around friends although taunts happen like the gross bucket of wings my buddy was eating yesterday. the one point which is really just annoying is i hate being the "vegetarian" when invited over to eat, say at the gf’s house, etc. not that people seem to really care but i sometimes feel bad for being that guy. not that it would make me eat meat again, but thats the one downside in my opinion.

yeah this sucks, i understand where you’re coming from and i really feel that this is why more people don’t experiment with a vegetarian diet. there is such a sucky stigma attached that it is less of a hassle to just eat whatever.

this is exactly the same as the current controversy amongst "atheists". there is such a stigma attached to that word that when people hear it they immediately dismiss all the points you make or FACTS you raise and write you off as some satanic/cultish crazy. do i believe in god? NO, am i an athiest? NO. now try to nail me down.

same for non-meat eaters. if someone asks you if you are a vegetarian, the simple answer should be NO, i just don’t eat meat. the same as someone who doesn’t drink but is not "straight edge".

there doesn’t need to be a specific term for something that people DON’T do.
Time Without the E said 11 months ago

i am completely against animal cruelty but i do eat meat and i do eat it alot. im moreso on the side of hating people that are abusive to there pets and other animals liek dogs, cats etc.

hell i even feel bad when i walk or run over a snail
landshark said 11 months ago

i enjoy cooking, and it is really great to cook alternative dishes and experiment without meat. tonight i’m making black bean burgers from scratch. i’d say 90% of the meals i prepare are vegetarian, but i don’t do it because of animal cruelty and other things, i just find it enjoyable. in addition, i like to limit my red meat intake for health reasons, but a few sundays a month a guys gotta grill a steak.
william@thisisprestigious.org said 11 months ago

landshark said: i enjoy cooking, and it is really great to cook alternative dishes and experiment without meat. tonight i’m making black bean burgers from scratch. i’d say 90% of the meals i prepare are vegetarian, but i don’t do it because of animal cruelty and other things, i just find it enjoyable. in addition, i like to limit my red meat intake for health reasons, but a few sundays a month a guys gotta grill a steak.

Without even being concious of it, many people do eat a practically vegetarian diet, in that their intake of meat is quite sparce without openly proclaiming any sort of bias towards being or not being vegetarian.

thank you for the comment.
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