i completely understand this whole new thing with not calling people out, a few people were getting turned off from the site and whatever. the whole godmachine thing was ridiculous. frenden, as amazingly nice as he is, was waaaaay too dramatic in deleting his account over it. so........fart.
but you are kind of enabling people who rip off shit by not allowing people who rip shirt designs to be called out on one of (if not) the most popular shirt art boards. i know the gang mentality can be a bitch, but look how well the Johnny cupcakes situation turned out, if it weren't for this site i doubt that would have been the outcome.
what do the rest of you think of this?
28 Comments
jimmyheartcore said 2 months ago
Yeah the Johnny Cupcakes thing was one instance. Most of the time, people are too retarded to handle it appropriately.
And people call stupid shit out that isn't even a rip at all.
Also, let me call attention to the fact that there were tons of people who wanted to Dicknose Johnny - when it wasn't even his fault. That gets too out of hand. The whole thing gets really ridiculous.
It could have gone in a completely different direction if myself and others weren't in the thread when it happened keeping people off of Johnny's back about it. Imagine if a bunch of dumbasses photoshopped Johnny into a bunch of gay porn.
That's why calling rips out on this site needs to stop. People need to handle it how it should be handled. Send emails. If the person is reasonable, they'll take the design down. If they aren't, then dicknosing and calling attention to it on a message board isn't going to make them take it down anyway.
FunForAllKids said 2 months ago
Everyone gets ideas from everything and everyone, so times it shows and some times you'd would never know what influenced something, thats how art kind of works . Some times things get stollen by mistakes and sometimes its done because someone wishes they did it first. By having your work in public view you risk your work getting copied, it comes with the territory. If some one copies you and you feel like calling them out do it by email and handle it professionally, no need for name calling and dicknosing as Jimmy said. Gay Porn and Dicknoses aren't really helping anything but making you look like a 14 year old kid.
skull with hair said 2 months ago
the only beef i have is that people should be able to call a rip all they want, it is up to people who read the post do decide wether it is or not. i do not blame you for deleting dick nose posts, as that is just immature toilet humor bullshit, but the whole concept of calling people out has merit.
if it gets to a name calling dicknosing level i completely understand you guys being professional and deleting posts. but if it is just about calling people out why is this post still active? http://emptees.com/posts/4755-manticores-i-ve-been-ripped
what's with the double standard? its probably because the rip is so obvious that there is no point in denying it. just like the post i made, but that was deleted.
so basically, policing peoples free speech gets messy. it is difficult to say what people can and cannot say. it is way too simple minded to say "no calling people out". some people need to be called out, and a public forum of like minded designers IS the place to do it. emptees doesn't stand to lose any revenue because one or two people are turned off by minor internet conflict. so what's the big deal?
jimmyheartcore said 2 months ago
That's an old post, and it's been resolved according to Rikki. That was before the rule got implemented.
There's not a double standard. That is an old ass post.
I resent being referred to as "simple minded". The point is that not everyone on this site is mature or like minded. That's why we implemented the rule.
It is going to take a while for it to sink in.
This doesn't need to be the forum for rip-calling anyway. There's nothing out of line about sending an email to someone instead of bitching about it on a public forum. In a lot of instances it seems to be kids ripping people off. They don't know any better because they're in high school and don't realize what hard work is yet.
Usually, a well-worded personal email will garner more positive results than a public shaming.
skull with hair said 2 months ago
well i wasn't calling you personally simple minded, but having a blanket rule like that IS in fact a simple solution.
what is the point of this new rule? that is the real question i have. emptees is a free site with no advertising, what do they stand to lose if a few people decide not to frequent here anymore? what is the big deal?
if people are dumb and jump on the bandwagon of someone who says something is a rip even if it is in fact not, how is that worse than denying someone a public forum to right a wrong?
no matter what you guys do, or don't do, some people are going to decide not to frequent here anymore. if you stop allowing people to voice their personal opinions when they feel something is wrong/illegal, you won't just be losing those people, you will be losing people like me too.
so what is the motive? just curious.
Jon Kruse said 2 months ago
Is it still cool to use the manticores after you have emailed the accused and nothing happens?
I think that these situations should be dealt with better but if the dude just tells you to fuck off the manticores should and must strike with vengeance.
itcamefromthesky! said 2 months ago
exactly. Rips should still be posted. I sure as hell want to be aware of which douche bag "designers" I should distance myself from. If a post gets out of hand.. it should be the moderator's responsibility to shut that shit down. Cutting people's free speech is a bummer. I feel, personally, that's what's happening.
Ameeee said 2 months ago
I can totally understand where SWH is coming from - but unfortunately the dick nosing and all that other stuff kind of made a mockery of everyone involved. It's Jimmy's job to keep the BS down, so as sucky as it is - it does reduce the drama.
Perhaps we need to disconnect the Manticores from being associated with Emptees. Surely there's a way - perhaps a blog or a mailing list that people could email. They can add their names to a petition and the person who got ripped off can choose to send this off to the ripper. That way someone isn't misrepresenting you with PS'd pictures.
I personally always wrote a polite note to the rippers - because I didn't want to talk shit to people I didn't know.
layos said 2 months ago
I think you're wrong saying that my design is rip off. I fess up that slime designs are my inspirations but is it something wrong to be inspired?
I totally agree with FunForAllKids.
Regards
Tom
Ameeee said 2 months ago
Hey dude, in the interest of peace and respect of the rules - you'd be better off bringing this up with SWH in an email. Even though you didn't get the same treatment, it seems like the better thing to do.
ThinkBaker said 2 months ago
Jimmy.... I just want my 10 dollar frenden shirt.....
kyleisez said 2 months ago
I feel like emptees just signed to a major label and were asked to change their sound
Ameeee said 2 months ago
You are the king of analogies.
Pearls To Pigs said 2 months ago
he said you're supposed to email him... jk.
also, maybe instead of trying to implement all these rules, you could just do what a lot of other websites like this do, ban that persons account who broke one of the rules for x amount of time or forever based on the offense.
derek said 2 months ago
Like alot of things in life it's gulity by association.....
It started off as a few manticore threads, then it was happening more and more frequently. Then godmachine / Frended episode happened (which was really sad as they both were a great benefit to this site), then the dick noses / johnny cupcakes thing.
What you gonna do if you attack someone as "ripping" and they haven't at all. It's peoples business on the line,and sometime things are gonna turn even nastier.
There are awesome people on this site, that perhaps never would meet. A real diversity, would be a shame to loose it.
Go make another site to call people out and you take the responsibility of running it
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
its a shame people have to act so childish over it and do the mob mentality instead of being decent people about it.... one of the reasons the site hasn't become a huge priority of mine as of late.
I do wish we could "call people out" though, because it is a huge deal to find out someone you looked up to so much was in fact stealing from other people. Hell, if I found out Escher was copying someone I sure as hell would want to know about it... I would be devastated but its better than blindly thinking it was all his own work.
M.Eureka said 2 months ago
www.emptees.com
associated with:
www.themanticores.com (where we call rips)
Kevin Doom said 2 months ago
Nailed it.
By the way, I love how dick nosing is now part of our vernacular.
M.Eureka said 2 months ago
I think emptees is still what it was.. You still can post tees, you still get feedback on it, if you post thread for help, you got answers for your questions.. everything is ok!? whats the problem.
jimmyheartcore said 2 months ago
There are reasons for all the new rules.
The fact is, whenever someone gets called out on this site and it's someone that people are able to get in touch with -- SOMEONE will take it too far.
There are also stupid little posts about rip offs that are completely unfounded.
Seriously, this is the nature of some of the "MANTICORES UNITE!!" threads:
Most people take it way out of control. It's not the burden of people on this site to make decisions about designs that are rip offs. http://www.youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com is the website for those things. That site is popular, and has a strong readership.
Otherwise, there's no real reason to post a rip on here. It always ends up getting messy and retarded.
With the exception of posting rips, all of the new rules are things that 12 year old minds do. The problem is, when you post rips, all of those 12 year old minds come out of the woodwork and start drama and jumping all over people.
Eternyl said 2 months ago
Ha - that's awesome!.....
I claim all wolf t-shirt designs!....if you put a wolf on a tee....you are ripping me!
Who put the first skull on a tee?
ihearithurts said 2 months ago
For everyone asking why these new rules were implemented, as if it wasn't obvious, it's because these types of threads just make the site hostile and unenjoyable for a lot of people.
I don't mind people calling out rips, Eric and I find someone ripping off our work almost every week, but the point of them should be to take the rip down. I think that's shame enough. If you're looking to tar and feather someone, you can go elsewhere.
As for all the "sell out", "major record label", bullshit. Come on. Really?
jimmyheartcore said 2 months ago
Also, can I call attention to the fact that nobody would have even known about the Johnny Cupcakes rip off were it not for www.youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com featuring the rip?
Just saying.
emosamurai said 2 months ago
(opinion)
Listen, emptees is a legitimate t-shirt community site that has garnished a lot of fame and has grown in popularity very rapidly, it's the real deal. This is not your little free-hosted-geocities forum where you can say and do whatever you want, this isn't a glorified-AIM-chat between you and your dudes, and this isn't the 80's when BB's were the place to hang out...
If you look at the "rest" of the online communities, they don't even have to be t-shirt related, we are SPOILED here at emptees with the amount of freedom and creative expression allotted to us and how our opinions and feedback are HONESTLY taken into consideration when it comes to making the site better.
I know you guys want emptees to be a place where you and your friends can hang out and say whatever you want whenever you feel like it, and you CAN, but you have to know that this is a PUBLIC website, not a private chat room.
(/opinion)
discordantart said 2 months ago
i definitely back the "keep things professional" mentality, dicknosing was not even funny. this is an absurdly clique-y place, hobnobbing all over the place, and that's why things get taken over the top.
BUT
i think that it should be up to the moderators discretion, its not like this is an internet cesspool and you are pulling your hair out trying to keep up with everything that goes on in the talk section. it just seems like an easy way out of doing some simple policing.
see something out of hand? nab it. a moderators job isn't difficult. (in no way is this supposed to be demeaning)
only takes a few people to put a burden the majority.
LitoQ said 2 months ago
I've loved emptees since the second i signed up and will forever! its the ultimate resource in that it not only gives you the ultimate insight but the ammount of networking that is available, literally, at your fingertips is amazing. Its a shame that something that was created for fun/to help the community ended up becoming what it did. Alienating some insanely talented designers and so on. I am in full compliance with the new rules, but I do agree, bringing an unresolved rip to the public eye is still very necessary, just act with tact people i mean damn
skull with hair said 2 months ago
that was a joke and you know it.
you got one thing right and one thing wrong....
Wrong: the dick nosing was actually extremely funny. Professional? no way, should it have been taken down? Yeah, i agree with that. but that was the first time anything of that nature had ever come up, tell people stop, wont happen again.
Right: the moderators can just moderate. this site isnt THAT bad that you'd be pouring over thousands of threads looking for stuff. so a few threads pop up that are questionable, or go in a bad direction, Jimmy and Derek have extremely good judgement so use it and delete those threads. the same thing goes for dumb vague non-rips, take em down.
beth said 2 months ago
DAMN IT! This shit is causing more hostility than the shit its trying to resolve!! Only instead of causing hostility to someone outside of the community on the interwebs it is causing our community to slowly rip apart because we are all at eachothers throats.
The people who are mostly putting up reasonable arguments are adults none of us will accept a cut and dry approach since most of you work freelance and arent used to rules being enforced. (it is true because if it wasnt you would all have corporate jobs) But as adults I feel like there can be a way that we can settle in a happy medium! I never dealt with the manticores nor did I even get involved..frankly I just didnt like how business was run with it and I couldnt soil my name with shit like photoshopped porn. But, on the other hand these types of threads are pissing me off so much! I cant stand to sit there and waste 20 min of my life watching this community rip open eachothers throats.
We need to figure out some form of happy medium. Yes some people will be upset since there are hundreds of people on these boards and not all of us will agree. But what if we had one rip post. The Designer of the rip is compleatly annonymous and the designer of the original posts only. We will descuss if we consider it a rip or not and then they, the designer, will contact the ripper in a professional (or nonprofessional if you are a douchebag) manner. We do not get involved past that point.
I feel like that is what you are arguing for? Or if you are arguing for dick noses....well then I agree with Jimmy.