Without getting into a big political battle, it looks like there are tons of lib’s on here. Are there any conservitaves willing to raise their hands?
/raises hand!
Just curious if I was alone...
Without getting into a big political battle, it looks like there are tons of lib’s on here. Are there any conservitaves willing to raise their hands?
/raises hand!
Just curious if I was alone...
93 Comments
justin said 2 months ago
i am ready to blow my brains out with all the political hoopla that is going on - so i have no opinion :D
jimmyheartcore said 2 months ago
Can I ask why you’re conservative without getting into a huge political battle?
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
I took that test thing they did at the county fair here and they said I am a centrist with conservative leanings.
edword said 2 months ago
yeah I don’t understand the conservative point of view. So you’re either rich or religious, really I want to know.
shmokey said 2 months ago
totally untrue. Some parts of conservatism I agree with are less government, more capitalism and less socialism aka WELFARE/IMMIGRATION. Religious zealots and pro-life nuts ruin it for everyone.
Independent is the way to go!
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
Sure, I believe in small government. The less government I see the better.
I like to keep my own money and not be bleed dry by taxes.
I believe in self responsibility. And with that, you suffer the consequences of your actions. By that I mean, I don’t think the government should bail you out if you make a mistake. Example all these mortgages people can’t pay for, you knew the risk when you took out an ARM. Don’t ask for a bail out.
I believe in a general moral standard. I don’t believe, "if it feels good just do it" I believe for the good and morality of humanity, some things should be sacred. For example, I’m pro-life.
I believe in the private sector, I think there are very few things the government should be involved in. I say let the market decide on things like energy policies.
Just a few of thoughts.
dsprad said 2 months ago
I’m pro life, anti-war, anti-death penalty, pro drug legalization, and basically against anything that tries to make the federal government bigger than it needs to be.
shmokey said 2 months ago
edit: nothing wrong with being pro-life...what I’m referring to are the whackos who shoot abortion clinic doctors. Sadly, conservatism is often confused with religious gun toters clinging to their bibles and hating on "the gays."
Fiscal Republican, social democrat!
andrE w. said 2 months ago
hmm, i just took 2 political quizzes and they both said i was a libertarian. where does that put me?
im fairly liberal when it comes to most issues, im not on my own yet though, so idk how i feel about economic policies of either party yet, ill figure it out though.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
You’re right on with how people view religious conservatives.
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
oh man, its an election year. In the words of teh carpenters... "Its only just begun..."
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
contrary, Libertarians are not liberal at all.. the are almost ultra-conservative
edword said 2 months ago
yeah that was a bit of a generalization. I just don’t feel like the republican party is as much small goverment, low taxes as they were in the past. It just seems like the rich and religious tend to be the base of the party at this point.
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
You can disagree with something and not be a wacko hater. I like to think that a tomato is a vegetable but the fact is its not, I don’t hate a tomato because its a fruit.
andrE w. said 2 months ago
well idk, i took the quizzes and thats where they put me, but i said i was pro choice, for legalization of marijuana, pro gay marriage, did not believe intelligent design should be taught in schools. i have always thought of myself as fairly conservative when it comes down to real issues, because all the things i just listed i dont really find super important. i believe the governments only purpose is to protect and provide opportunity, so in that respect i guess i am 'ultra-conservative' right?
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
your right, republicans are not keeping true to the conservative ideology.. at least as I believe it to be. Thats why you don’t hear to many conservatives excited about McCain.
godmachine said 2 months ago
what does 'pro-life' mean to yous guys exactly? just wondering.
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
I’m thinking that Libertarians, are just very pragmatic, no emotion. Basically little to no government and everyone is pretty much responsible for themselves. Libertarians I thinik are conservative without the morality issues.
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
anti-abortion to me
dsprad said 2 months ago
It means that you are in favor of laws that prohibit abortion based on the belief that life begins at conception, not at birth. Under that belief, abortion is equated with murder and therefore a major violation of one of the basic principles of the United States, that every person as the right to LIFE, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
Pro choice is the movement that believes that it is the woman’s right to choose whether or not to have the baby. People under this mindset generally believe that life begins at birth, not at conception and therefore abortion is not murder.
shmokey said 2 months ago
pro-life is anti-abortion. as a woman, i don’t know if i could have an abortion but i still think a woman has the right to do with her body as she pleases. I don’t believe life starts at conception. to me, its just a cluster of cells. its not something to be taken lightly but sometimes abortion is the best thing to do in situations of incest or if a 13 yr old gets pregnant, etc. It gets muddy because people abuse and think "Oops I got pregnant! Better go to the clinic!"
godmachine said 2 months ago
can a baby exist outside of the host pre-birth?
skull with hair said 2 months ago
just putting this out there...
anyone who equates a woman who is put in a position where she felt abortion was her only/best option to a "Murderer", is a person who is so delusional they have no place in a rational discussion about whether abortion should or should not be legal.
shmokey said 2 months ago
agreed
jimmyheartcore said 2 months ago
So true.
fiftyeights said 2 months ago
agreed.
ps. i’m a liberal (even though i’m not even old enough to vote). i believe in fair treatment and all the laws given to us in miranda vs arizona, and i’m pro-choice. if a girl’s ego is prego and i’m 16, it’s not good. haha. sell that shit and get an xbox! jk yo.
dsprad said 2 months ago
I’ve never thought of a woman in that situation as a murderer. The way I feel about it is this: Jane Smith gets pregnant. Scenario A: She has an abortion, she never has a baby. Scenario B: She does not have an abortion, and therefore has a human baby.
Abortion is a middle man here, essentially preventing (or allowing) the existence of a human being. The fact of the matter is, if a woman has an abortion she prevents the existence of a human being.
Just expressing my humble opinion, please don’t jump all over me.
skull with hair said 2 months ago
i definitely won’t jump allover you, but your logic is flawed. by your standards using a condom or birth control pills is murder too. they prevent a human baby.
it is a matter of faith to believe that "life" begins at conception and it can for no reason be terminated. that being said, i do not share your faith and it has no business legislating the choices me or my family have to make.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
Sorry, but I wanted to slap you for writing that. Totally not funny to joke about. That’s like someone joking about raping your mom. Not cool.
I think one problem with that is the fact that people tend to push that option on girls nowadays. In the case of rape, I really believe it would be hard to convince a woman to keep the child. I hate the fact that both a woman and a child (sorry, I’m pro-life and would consider an unborn fetus a child) pay for the sins of someone else (the rapist). Abortion is such an emotional issue for people to discuss. You can’t rationally look at it by numbers or whatever, you have to put the "human factor" into the equation.
godmachine said 2 months ago
I wonder what women think.
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
for me its just a matter of morality. Incest is one thing, a very tricky matter but if a teenager gets pregnant, why not adoption as an alternative to abortion?
I don’t understand why so many people defend pro-choice with such a fever. Aside from rape, this is 100% preventable.
Again, with self responsibility. If you get pregnant, take responsibility for it. Adoption is an option.
If my daughter got pregnant as a teenage, you better believe I would be there to help and raise that child if I needed to. At that point if my daughter was unable to do it or ran out, it would be my obligation to do so.
explodingtoes said 2 months ago
/raises hand
for the exact reasons dcastle stated.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
Stop making me think of Mel Gibson in that horrible movie. Please...
shmokey said 2 months ago
"You can’t rationally look at it by numbers or whatever, you have to put the "human factor" into the equation"...
says who? says you. you have to put the human factor into it but i don’t believe a cluster of cells is a human.
its people who believe that that hinder stem cell research!
qhubban2 said 2 months ago
booyah __________lol
brotel said 2 months ago
someone once said this to me: "if i was voting for a pastor of a church i’d vote republican. but since i’m voting for someone to 'manage' a huge cashflow of money, i vote democrate."
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
I’m talking about the effects of abortion or not having an abortion. You can’t say that having an abortion doesn’t effect women. You can’t say not having an abortion doesn’t effect some women as well. I’m not saying anything about whether or not it’s a baby, I am talking about the consequences of the decision made. Some people mentally could not handle either situation, and you have to take that human factor into consideration.
godmachine said 2 months ago
i’m learning here...
so if the woman wants and abortion- you’d force her to keep it? how do you do that exactly?
because a lot of things are illegal yet they still happen- so making it a law wont work...so now what?
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
I don’t trust the governemnt, republican or Democrate with my money. The govenment tends to take my money and give it to some one else who is to lazy to earn their own.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
Illegal abortions occur all the time. Or, if someone really wants one and it was illegal in the US, they could go to another country. After all, abortion is considered a medical procedure.
skull with hair said 2 months ago
this is where you are missing the point. we are talking about laws that govern all american citizens, not just your family. you cannot have a discussion about things that should be legal and illegal and talk about "paying for sins". you want me and americans who do not share your particular faith to live by your moral standards, and that is never going to happen.
shmokey said 2 months ago
its pointless to argue about this crap because it all boils down to morality which is opinion based. the end bye bye.
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
all our laws are based off a moral standard. Murder, theft, almost anything can use that same argument.
skull with hair said 2 months ago
a human moral standard, not a judeo-christian moral standard. there is a difference.
jimmyheartcore said 2 months ago
Morality and religion are two separate concepts.
Peoples' rights are personal to each individual, and should be afforded in the same manner to each individual. That is why gay marriage, abortion, etc. are so controversial.
Because for some reason, people who are religious and get their "morals" from their religion do not realize that they are violating the individual rights of other people by voting against and arguing against equality for individuals.
And before you say it "individuals" do not include unborn children. The reasoning is simple - and it goes right along with what Godmachine said.
Otherwise, every time a woman has her period she is throwing away an unborn child. Every time a man masturbates he is rubbing millions of unborn out and letting them run down the drain.
The argument is ridiculous. Everyone wishes to impose their rights upon others. If you become pregnant, and believe it to be immoral to kill your child, then keep the kid.
If you don’t enjoy the taste of men, sir, then don’t marry a man.
Allow the other 6 billion people on the planet to have the same choices you have.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
No,no, take faith out of it. Completely. I wouldn’t push it on you in the first place. It’s not my place to decide what you believe and don’t believe. Please don’t ever think I would do that.
I am saying look at the effect that abortion has on women who have had them, look at the effect that not having an abortion has had on women who "should" have had one. How are they effected mentally and emotionally (I don’t know the answer, but would like to)? I’ve seen the former, but not the latter and there was regret. It was really sad to see someone like that, regretting a decision for the rest of their life.
EVERYONE would admit that rape is bad, a sin (a term I used, in this case generically, to show a wrong done to another human being). All I meant by that is that the woman has to pay for someone else’s wrong-doing for the rest of her life (and in the case of believing a fetus is a baby, so would the baby).
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
The beauty of humanity... choice.
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
not when you believe a gestating baby is human
skull with hair said 2 months ago
and i do not believe a gestating fetus has the same rights as a human...now what?
skull with hair said 2 months ago
ok, and by being pro-life you are trying to destroy that beauty...choice.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
Huh? Explain, because you confused me as to why someone without Judeo-Christian faith would believe that (popular opinion on human moral standard does not believe that).
skull with hair said 2 months ago
here is my main question when it comes to this. why do people of faith crusade so diligently against something that in no way effects them? nowhere in the bible does it state you will goto hell or be judged for my "sins".
if we die and judgement exists the way it says it does in the bible then i’m on the chopping block, not you.
dcastle8183 said 2 months ago
I’m just saying that the right to life(being born) is a human right. not just a judeo-christian moral standard.
Now what? Now Nothing, I just disagree with you. And just for the record, its not commen place in this world, the belief, that all humans have the same rights. Luckly we are a westernized country were we do believe that, or at least America is.
Anyway with that, I’m out. Its quitin time at work. I’m going to go home and see my children I chose to keep.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
Being pro-life doesn’t take away anyone else’s choice. When it comes right down to it, someone else’s choice to have or abort is not mine. I get to make that choice for myself just as much as you get to make that choice for yourself. Please don’t pigeonhole me into the typical pro-life person. I am in no way demanding you to come to my "side" on things. All I want to know concerning abortion is how it effects those who do it and those who don’t when they could have.
The beauty of choice is that it allows us to have distinct differences and personalities. You’re limiting my comment to abortion, instead of applying it to all aspects of humanity.
skull with hair said 2 months ago
yeah man, i am definitely not attacking you, so please don’t take it that way.
if you think you have the right to choose life and i can make my own decisions then you are NOT pro-life, you are Pro-Choice.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
I don’t base my vote for a presidential candidate on an issue he would not decide (Judcial Branch). What I base my vote for in a presidential or congressional (or even local) race is who can best do what their job description is as laid out by the constitution (or local equivalent). Part of the thing I hate about political races is that most of the promises made by candidates are NEVER addressed at any point.
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
Thanks, I just drove home and was really bothered that you might be reading me the wrong way.
I would still say I am pro-life, but in a different way. I know that I cannot force someone to choose (and I readily and gladly accept that). I would always encourage someone to THINK before they made the decision to have an abortion, because it is a MAJOR life decision either way. But, my wife and I would never choose an abortion.
skull with hair said 2 months ago
its awesome that you think that way. living in a society where people have differing beliefs you have to be that way to coexist peacefully.
i agree abortion sucks, i personally have no emotional feelings about the lump of cells, but i do think it has a negative emotional effect on the woman and family. i never want to have to make that choice, but i think giving birth to an unwanted child is a far worse decision on anyones part.
PS- i don’t really think you are destroying the beauty of humanity! hah.
logan said 2 months ago
i made the mistake about asking my marine cousin who he was going to vote for, he said he was unsure then asked me, and i just went "ehh...i dont know probably oboma" and then nearly got my head torn off by him, his little brother, and my grandmother. WTF!?!
Buck Nasty said 2 months ago
only a fool labels himself...
"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."
George Washington- first president of the united states and a prophet
mitchbones said 2 months ago
I am a moderate (slightly to the left) libretarian. Infact, I am extremely libretarian. Does that mean that I will vote party lines?
Anti-Drug War (someone debate me on this, its my favorite subject)
Pro Roe Vs Wade
Anti Big Gov
Pro True Free Market.
Anti-Creationism taught in school
Anti War. War should be a last option Not "Hey...I don’t like these guys at all so....lets lie to america where we can get oil"
As far as my feelings about Roe Vs Wade, I look at it from a whole different perspective (Read Freakonomics). Crime. In the early 90s, crime was extremely high, and wasn’t looking like it was getting any lower. It was like a lightswitch, it just suddenly started going down. The timing of crime going down was proportional with the age of the children that were born right after Roe Vs Wade. People in lower class that don’t want to have kids either do bathroom abortions, or raise their kids. A lot of those kids end up in gangs and crime. Roe Vs Wade decreased the amount of births in lower-class familys, thus crime. (I’m paraphrasing Freakonomics, nor am I saying only lower class commit crimes.)
molasses4masses said 2 months ago
Sigh.... Haha! I enjoy a good debate every once in a while, it gets the blood pumping.
Randomentity said 2 months ago
I don’t pick a party because they’re all liars.
I’m so far to the left that I wave a red and black flag. We should be able to moderate ourselves, and live the lives we should have under our own rules. We shouldn’t have to live in cubicle cages at jobs we hate to pay for food full of chemicals made by corporate masters that control us.
The only real party in America is money. Who ever has the most of it, and has friends with plenty of it will be in control. The president is just a puppet.
Stay the hell out of my personal life, stay out of my and my wife’s body, don’t tell my family what medical procedures they can have, what drugs they can take, don’t monitor my emails and phone calls, it’s not your fucking business.
In other words, burn this shit down and let’s start a real America!
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
The effect of a woman who "should" have had one, similar to the first scenario obviously can be regret. The difference between the two situations is that when there was no abortion, there is a fucking child there now. A child who represents regret to their mother. And on top of that the mother may not be fit for parenting, unable to support a child, etc etc all things that the child has to pay for which had nothing to do with them.
I would much rather see someone regretting NOT having a child than having one. That is a billion hundred million thousand more times problematic.
If you do your research this theory was debunked almost immediately after the book was published. The algorithm they used to produce these results was incorrectly applied. And anyway I think that type of thinking is pretty fucked up, that puts you inline with being pro death penalty to keep crime rates down.
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
I don’t think abortion is an issue of women’s rights. You can argue all the hell you want about it’s my body I do what I want, when life begins, blah blah blah, but when it comes down to it if abortions are made illegal they will still happen.
And yes, molasses said you can fly to another country and have a legal abortion, but what about all the girls (I’d like to say this is the majority, but i don’t know that that’s true) who need/seek out abortions who are impoverished? Those who don’t have the means to support a child most likely don’t have the means to take a weekend in south america. Duh. So that’s putting the mother as well as the child in danger and can - and would - result in more deaths than that of a fuckin zygote or whatever.
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
And for the record, I’ve probably met more girls who are pro-life than guys. They are all pissed cause they don’t fuck. They say it is for jesus or something but whatever.
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vinnyg said 2 months ago
well said as usual!
derekdeal said 2 months ago
since babies arent issued social security numbers at conception, they really shouldnt be any concern of the federal government. Why this issue has become such a political segregator is beyond me. Any governmental role in people’s birth control decisions is a scary concept.
vinnyg said 2 months ago
question - what if some guy attacked and raped your wife? would you force her to have the rapists baby?
vinnyg said 2 months ago
agreed. abortions have been going on forever except back when they were illegal there were a lot more women dying from them and a lot more doctors getting arrested
jimiyo said 2 months ago
as much as i love ceiling cat and fruitless expression of opinions,
i think basement cat would win. gravity on his side.
shantyshawn said 2 months ago
There are too many people on this planet!! When is a politician gonna get the balls to talk seriously about adult abortions?? I’d open a clinic immediately!
Randomentity said 2 months ago
KEEP THE RAPE BABIES!!!
They’re miracles!!
Seriously some people try forever to have kids, and then some Douchebag comes along and POOF the womans preggers! Obviously gods hand was in there somewhere.
vinnyg said 2 months ago
i really hope you’re being sarcastic
jimiyo said 2 months ago
LOL Nice italics.
Some really bold statements in here.
skullface said 2 months ago
lol @ jimiyo tag sabotage
shantyshawn said 2 months ago
I don’t know how I got into italics, but it really compliments my stance on full grown abortions. Knock a few million adults off and no one’s gonna care about roe v. wade much, and mother earth will thank you.
Eternyl said 2 months ago
Pro : Super small government
Pro: keeping my money....
Anti: Socialism...you can’t force people to help others.
Anti: War on Drugs...but no free for all...tax the hell out of it.
Pro: Right to bear Arms
Anti: War - we should stay out of other countries...both attacking and defending...like the constitution says.
Pro: Constitution - a good read
Pro: Self responsibility - you break it you buy it.
Anti: Religion in government - shouldn’t be there.
Pro: Private Sector : the government sucks at business, why would you think they can do well with health care.
Pro: Free Market Health Insurance
A very prominent medical procedure not covered by insurance...flourishes, while the care improves....and yet the prices drop....craziness!...nope - Lasik Eye Surgery.
Pro: Life/Choice :
there are lots of choices in life - some are very selfish...still it’s your choice...so is stealing, and ...Sometimes you should have to face certain consequences in life like childbirth...
although it is necessary...it should not be a get out of jail free card...abuse of the abortion procedure, should be regulated.
Pro Gay Marriage : I don’t care you sleep with...hetero marriage as well...still don’t wanna know.
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that being said : both sides of the government is beyond corrupt.
..and remember America is not a Democracy...it’s a Constitutional republic.
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skullface said 2 months ago
UGUGHHHH!!!
shantyshawn said 2 months ago
Damn Straight!!!
Randomentity said 2 months ago
About the god part obviously.
mitchbones said 2 months ago
also something we have to mention here.
Fuck no child left behind. Gov needs to be hands off our education, and encourage competition through privatization.
shantyshawn said 2 months ago
That’s for sure!! The governor of South Carolina tried to do that because they’re the worst state for education. He got sued to prevent him from doing it. Guess by who? The f’n teacher’s union!! Fuck their tenure!!
mitchbones said 2 months ago
In the words of one of my favorite most influential teachers. "I will not join a teacher’s union, cause when it comes down to it. They hurt students"
Buck Nasty said 2 months ago
Someone as cynical as me! Let’s be friends and eviscerate the proletariat or something.
corefolio said 2 months ago
I’m libertarian.
I’m NOT socialist neither communist.
I’m ethero but homosexuals don’t bother me.
I’m atheist and ABSOLUTELY anti-religion.
I’m vegetarian.
I love recreative drugs.
I’m TOTALLY PRO-ABORTION (sounds funny coming from a vegetarian, uh?).
I believe in small government (aka federalism. American people have a very strange ideas about federalism. USA is a FAKE federation. To me looks more like the old URRS...).
I’m NOT racist (like almost every italian...) but believe that immigration these days is a BIG problem (for Italy and entire Europe), that needs new RESTRICTIVE laws and rules.
I’m super bothered about capitalism/consumism issues...
I’m european ;P
godmachine said 2 months ago
I am a statistic.
Lazyeye said 2 months ago
I love cheese.
SMD said 2 months ago
"Damn your intentions, I want results!"
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
what exactly does anti religion mean?
mitchbones said 2 months ago
A lot of atheists, myself included, think that religion is the root of all evil. Our golden rule is actually "Don’t do dumb shit religious people do to each other."
edword said 2 months ago
I think the whole smaller goverment thing is something the Republicans throw around, it’s just a talking point that they really don’t back up.
how does making abortion illegal = small goverment
wikipedia
Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favour tradition, where tradition refers to various religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs.
Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government.
sorry but I’d rather take the latter of those two definitions and the funniest part is liberals don’t have probem with conservitaves living there lifes the way they want, but conservitaves want every one to comfort to there way of thinking.
If you don’t like abortions don’t get one.
If you don’t like gays don’t marry one.
If you believe in god go pray to one.
That seems pretty simple to me.
a_mar_illo said 2 months ago
I am not a U.S. citizen, but allow me to add - from my point of view from outside:: A conservative socalled "small" U.S. government could mean for example: Rich people with deseases go directly to a good hospital, poor people with deseases go directly to a good graveyard, the taxes go directly to a good army, right?