Hate to post this but the thread we were having the discussion in (http://emptees.com/posts/69801-fan-art-and-what-i-can-cant-delete) has been locked. I think there were some valid points in it and we should discuss this a bit more. At any rate, I'm concerned about quality control as much as anyone else here, but I think the way to handle it is to have people be more involved. Comment on more tee designs. Voice your opinion! The designer will either step up their game or give up. This will spill over to other designers. They'll see that if you post crap you're going to catch some shit for it. When I first joined this site EVERYONE commented on tees being posted. You were forced to step it up or close up shop. I understand that there's way more tees being posted than there was 2 years ago. Still, we can all do a bit more commenting/critiquing. Just deleting their design does nothing for anyone. I think EVERYONE (myself included) need to comment on more tees and get more involved in the community. Just starting threads and making posts isn't really being involved. We all need to start providing more critiques to artists. Otherwise this site will become like Deviantart. It'll be a ton of crap with a few gems here and there. The respected artists will probably move on due to the lack of talent and this site will be overrun by mediocre designs. Again, deleting them isn't the answer. Educating the designer through constructive critiques is the way to go. If you guys and gals want a community then you have to make it happen yourselves. Bitching about it isn't going to change anything. I'll step off my soapbox now. 2009-08-26T12:50:10-04:00 27 2009-08-26T11:52:10-04:00 true 0 69821 false false 10321 1661 1 2009-11-21T14:47:18-05:00 452 100% agree i dont really comment tees trying to change it 69821 Post 2009-08-26T11:54:24-04:00 2181891 11090 2009-08-26T11:54:24-04:00 I'm extremely against deleting a post because this is not an elite site and everyone has a right but I am too concerned about quality control. There should be a separation between actual tee posts you can purchase and ones for sale/others. I for one want to see shirts that I can actually purchase if I'm feeling it and it'll help filter the designs. There will still be a section for ones you are trying to sell and whatnot but it'll be in it's own category, I don't know. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T11:55:50-04:00 2181911 12157 2009-08-26T11:57:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>PartySmartie said:</cite> 100% agree i dont really comment tees trying to change it</blockquote> You can already filter that. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T11:56:53-04:00 2181931 1661 2009-08-26T11:56:53-04:00 i think the idea of an elite site motivates people to become better so that they can be part of the tees that are showcased. i know that even my works aren't great, and i won't have a totd for a very long time, if ever. but it doesn't motivate me to work any harder if shitty tees get the same response as good ones. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T11:58:04-04:00 2181961 3515 2009-08-26T11:58:04-04:00 asking the people to comment won't solve a thing. all the comments will still be "wow" "badass" "no" "yes". the quality of the comments is the problem.even if you ask for critiques you get the same answer. people preffer talking around the forum about movies than to give some advices. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T11:58:11-04:00 2181971 21801 2009-08-26T11:58:11-04:00 I wanted to post this in dobi's thread but it got closed, so I'll post it here: I really appreciate dobi asking first. Asking for opinions on decisions regarding the forum/site is the sign of a good mod. If he hadn't of asked (Whether he had actually deleted the design or not), this conversation and these topics might not have come up. <br><br> And I totally agree with you Geoff. I've said it before - The only thing that will be the downfall of Emptees will be all of the regulars giving up on it. The threat to this site isn't the noobs with no respect or the trolls or the rippers. They have very little impact of this site. Emptees' fate is in the hands of all the great artists that are here and posting everyday. Participation is key. The more that all of us put into the site, the greater it will be. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:01:30-04:00 2181991 8948 2009-08-26T12:11:37-04:00 I honestly would prefer to have critique and advice, even if it would be putting my work down and only one love (Quaaaker!) than get ten loves and a couple of comments. For someone who is a student this site really helps, it points out specific things more than my art graphics teacher does, its incredible to think that there is a group of people who may be willing to give you the advice you need. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:03:45-04:00 2182021 9688 2009-08-26T12:03:45-04:00 Yes Yes Yes. I think keeping comments constructive goes a long way. Certain people think that being brutally honest/telling the truth (their perception of the truth) is like their public service to this community. For me all it does is make me think they're tossers. Like I said in the other thread it's always from more established members too. All that does is set a bad example to others who think it's ok and justified to pick on the less experienced members of this community and so it goes on. Everyone has the right to their opinion, good or bad, it's just about how your convey that to that person that is the important part. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:05:40-04:00 2182091 4551 2009-08-26T12:06:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>xul1349 said:</cite> asking the people to comment won't solve a thing. all the comments will still be "wow" "badass" "no" "yes". the quality of the comments is the problem.even if you ask for critiques you get the same answer. people preffer talking around the forum about movies than to give some advices.</blockquote> You missed the point of my thread. It's not about posting comments, it's about posting CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:06:48-04:00 2182111 1661 2009-08-26T12:06:48-04:00 <blockquote><cite>8-bit ZOMBIE said:</cite> I wanted to post this in dobi's thread but it got closed, so I'll post it here: I really appreciate dobi asking first. Asking for opinions on decisions regarding the forum/site is the sign of a good mod. If he hadn't of asked (Whether he had actually deleted the design or not), this conversation and these topics might not have come up. </blockquote> Rob is ace. I'm not knocking him at all. He's a really good guy. I totally get why he was asking. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:07:47-04:00 2182141 1661 2009-08-26T12:07:47-04:00 i think any tee should be allowed its chance however crap, with the exception of deisgns that arent mocked up, and some of the new indonesians that do text tees in broken english 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:08:40-04:00 2182161 29751 2009-08-26T12:08:40-04:00 In art school we used to do a project and then present it to the class. It would be torn apart by people for 10-15 minutes. It sucked and was a huge blow to my ego but it definitely helped make me a better designer. Same thing applies here. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:09:12-04:00 2182171 1661 2009-08-26T12:09:12-04:00 yeah, i'm not going to do any crazy shit around here without consulting the community first. i just wish there was a separate section where it could be devoted to critiques / works in progress / sketches / doodles / fan art. because at this point the "tees" section really isn't a "tees" section, it is mostly just a "vote for me" or "oh hai, i was just foolin around with photoshop" section. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:11:22-04:00 2182201 14 2009-08-26T12:11:22-04:00 hey guys you probably don't hear much from me and thats because i don't feel that ready to post up any new shirts, i've been here almost a year now but because of uni i haven't been able to do much personal work but i don't feel like posting much or commenting unless something catches my eye. i don't know wether that is fair to say. I do come on this site daily but weather i post an opinion or some art in the illustrations post i just seem to get ignored. This year i hope to participate more with this community as i do find it inspirational and i can see why everyones panicking about how the site should develop. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:11:27-04:00 2182221 8411 2009-08-26T12:11:27-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> In art school we used to do a project and then present it to the class. It would be torn apart by people for 10-15 minutes. It sucked and was a huge blow to my ego but it definitely helped make me a better designer. Same thing applies here.</blockquote> if all bad tees are deleted they wont learn and then post equally shit work, with constructive crit they will learn however gradually. so i totally agree with you 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:11:51-04:00 2182241 29751 2009-08-26T12:11:51-04:00 <blockquote><cite>dobi said:</cite> i just wish there was a separate section where it could be devoted to critiques / works in progress / sketches / doodles / fan art. </blockquote> Yeah, I agree with this. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:12:50-04:00 2182261 1661 2009-08-26T12:12:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>dobi said:</cite> yeah, i'm not going to do any crazy shit around here without consulting the community first. i just wish there was a separate section where it could be devoted to critiques / works in progress / sketches / doodles / fan art. because at this point the "tees" section really isn't a "tees" section, it is mostly just a "vote for me" or "oh hai, i was just foolin around with photoshop" section.</blockquote> I've been saying this in every post. That'll help this site a ton. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:13:39-04:00 2182281 12157 2009-08-26T12:13:39-04:00 greg abbott needs his own section 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:15:01-04:00 2182311 782 2009-08-26T12:15:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Kyle Crawford said:</cite> greg abbott needs his own section</blockquote> definately. he should be the only one allowed to post more than 1 tee a day 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:16:19-04:00 2182321 29751 2009-08-26T12:16:19-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Kyle Crawford said:</cite> greg abbott needs his own section</blockquote> Tee sections: -tees you can purchase -artwork for sale -critique -Greg Abbott and fuzzy animals 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:16:48-04:00 2182351 12157 2009-08-26T12:16:48-04:00 <blockquote><cite>PitchGrim said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Kyle Crawford said:</cite> greg abbott needs his own section</blockquote> Tee sections: -tees you can purchase -artwork for sale -critique -Greg Abbott and fuzzy animals</blockquote> thatd be just as big as the rest of the sections 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:18:04-04:00 2182381 29751 2009-08-26T12:18:04-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>xul1349 said:</cite> asking the people to comment won't solve a thing. all the comments will still be "wow" "badass" "no" "yes". the quality of the comments is the problem.even if you ask for critiques you get the same answer. people preffer talking around the forum about movies than to give some advices.</blockquote> You missed the point of my thread. It's not about posting comments, it's about posting CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.</blockquote> i get it, but, still, check the tees posted for critique. they get 4-5 comments that are usually like most of the comments: one word, praising comments. so its not the number, but the quality. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:20:08-04:00 2182451 21801 2009-08-26T12:20:08-04:00 <blockquote><cite>xul1349 said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>xul1349 said:</cite> asking the people to comment won't solve a thing. all the comments will still be "wow" "badass" "no" "yes". the quality of the comments is the problem.even if you ask for critiques you get the same answer. people preffer talking around the forum about movies than to give some advices.</blockquote> You missed the point of my thread. It's not about posting comments, it's about posting CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.</blockquote> i get it, but, still, check the tees posted for critique. they get 4-5 comments that are usually like most of the comments: one word, praising comments. so its not the number, but the quality.</blockquote> Ugh, that's why I'm saying we need constructive critiques. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:26:51-04:00 2182641 1661 2009-08-26T12:26:51-04:00 Haha. While we're at it, reading comprehension (And actually reading people's posts) should be another thing (some) members of this site could stand to work on. ;) 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:30:12-04:00 2182701 8948 2009-08-26T12:31:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> In art school we used to do a project and then present it to the class. It would be torn apart by people for 10-15 minutes. It sucked and was a huge blow to my ego but it definitely helped make me a better designer. Same thing applies here.</blockquote> I went through the same thing also and it made me a much stronger artist. My teacher used to take on persona's as different customers and act them out during your pitch. It was great. I'm at the point where I just don't care about the bad attitudes anymore. I'm gonna give my criticism and if they want to be little shitheads I will let them be run out of emptees on their own by their actions. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:31:54-04:00 2182741 182 2009-08-26T12:31:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>8-bit ZOMBIE said:</cite> Haha. While we're at it, reading comprehension (And actually reading people's posts) should be another thing (some) members of this site could stand to work on. ;)</blockquote> Talk about frustrating. Sometimes it's like talking to a wall. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:42:22-04:00 2182901 1661 2009-08-26T12:42:22-04:00 i dont know dude, i've seen a lot of crap show up on here, most people forget that this is a place for designers to showcase their work, and EVERY PERSON has a well trained eye for quality. if the image sucks, if you live traced some photograph, and slapped on some crap text... good god someone get rid of it. there are too many good artists on here to be swamped down with utter crap. i get the whole argument about free speech, and art being subjective, but theres a fine line to draw. the shirt with teh rolling stones is a prime example. its not a good shirt. no one will buy it, no one bought it, its just a fantasy mockup? its a waste of time and space when yours, or my artwork can be shown. i'd rather see some crappy monster drawn in MS PAINT before i'd want to see some stolen copywrighted image. both should be shipped back to Deviant art where fan art is accepted, and get the hell out of Emptees. 69821 Post 2009-08-26T12:50:10-04:00 2182991 10321 2009-08-26T12:50:10-04:00