Long rant, sorry. I'm officially done with Macs and any Apple product, for that matter. I currently have a 1.5 year old 17" MacBook Pro. At the time I bought it, it was their flagship laptop. A month ago I took it in because my battery was swollen, which made it impossible to click on the trackpad. Not a huge deal, I guess. Of course for a $3000+ laptop I'd expect better quality and durability than that. But still, with AppleCare I was able to get it replaced and all it cost me was a trip to the Apple Store to deal with one of their "Geniuses", who apparently wasn't genius enough to just look at the warped and bloated battery to know that it was the issue. Instead he had to run a whole system diagnostic to find out, EUREKA, the battery was shot. Fast forward to last week. No less than 20 times my computer would totally freeze up. The picture looked like some shitty 80s 8-bit video game. I'd have to restart it numerous times to get it working. Take it to the Apple store and they tell me my logic board (fancy name for a motherboard) is hosed. Now this is my work computer. It's not my only computer, but it is my main work one, nonetheless. I'm going to be out of commission until at least Sunday, they tell me. In the meantime I keep the laptop and work on it sporadically, at best. I called in today to ask if the logic board has come in, since I was told it would be here today. The "genius" says it isn't in. I ask when I can expect it and his answer is "it'll get here when it gets here" and I hear him give a little laugh. I ask "that's the answer you're going with?" and he proceeds to tell me how a part is ordered and delivered as if this is all a foreign concept to me. I just hung up. Needless to say, I'm done with Apple products. I have an $800 Dell that is 3 years old that has NEVER had an issue. I bought what was supposed to be the be all end all in laptops and it's given me nothing but problems. Don't get me started about how many times it crashes out of the blue for no reason. In the end, Apple is a hype machine that should spend more money on R&D and a little less on cute commercials that personify their computers and operating system. OSX is nice but I can hack a PC (that is twice as powerful and half the price) to run it, so it's a moot point now. 2009-09-11T08:25:22-04:00 157 2009-09-09T15:58:45-04:00 true 0 75301 false false 1661 1661 1 2009-11-21T10:29:40-05:00 1671 i'm in total agreement with this thread. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:01:15-04:00 2395091 1087 2009-09-09T16:01:15-04:00 <blockquote><cite>sittingduck said:</cite> i'm in total agreement with this thread.</blockquote> 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:02:43-04:00 2395121 32291 2009-09-09T16:02:43-04:00 maybe yours. mine is fine. its been 2+years. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:04:13-04:00 2395141 60441 2009-09-09T16:04:13-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h35JhrEeHuQ 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:04:26-04:00 2395151 3934 2009-09-09T16:04:26-04:00 all my friends who own macs have problems all the time. i knew one guy who had to pay for $300 for another battery because of a similar problem. then his hard drive crashed because of some virus. macs have always been aesthetically pleasing computers but they never quite suffice as far as computing power goes. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:05:04-04:00 2395181 8881 2009-09-09T16:05:04-04:00 As much as I understand your frustration, I wouldn't condemn a whole company due to one experience. I'm sure there is a Dell customer out there with a similar story, and I'm sure it goes for every company out there. Sucks about your Macbook though. If you kept with them they would eventually give you a new one for free. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:05:54-04:00 2395231 285 2009-09-09T16:05:54-04:00 i wish this was small enough to fit on Twitter...and wish there was a Love button for posts... amazing thread 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:06:04-04:00 2395251 6950 2009-09-09T16:06:04-04:00 I own a PC but I love Macs. Not to familiar with their laptops though. Sounds like your local Mac "Genius" should find a new job. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:07:08-04:00 2395271 13406 2009-09-09T16:07:08-04:00 honestly though, mac's are just overpriced pc's with better looks and a bunch of heresay to back them up. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:08:12-04:00 2395281 1087 2009-09-09T16:08:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>sittingduck said:</cite> honestly though, mac's are just overpriced pc's with better looks and a bunch of heresay to back them up.</blockquote> so true 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:08:55-04:00 2395291 6950 2009-09-09T16:08:55-04:00 I have read about 3 or 4 peoples macs having hard drives go out in the last week. One of them lost some important photography stuff, and had to reshoot several clients. I've been running el-cheapo pc's for over 10 years and I've never had a hard drive fail out of nowhere. That shit is insane. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:10:02-04:00 2395301 997 2009-09-09T16:10:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>conor said:</cite> As much as I understand your frustration, I wouldn't condemn a whole company due to one experience. I'm sure there is a Dell customer out there with a similar story, and I'm sure it goes for every company out there. Sucks about your Macbook though. If you kept with them they would eventually give you a new one for free.</blockquote> I understand what you're saying, but I don't have the time, money or patience to give Apple numerous chances. I shouldn't have to buy more than one machine to find one that works like it should. Not to mention, their customer service today on the phone is appalling. The guy was a complete jerk for no reason at all. All I wanted to know is when it would be in since I was told yesterday at the store it would be in today. A cute commercial and "it just works" isn't going to make me stay with Apple. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:12:02-04:00 2395331 1661 2009-09-09T16:12:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> I have read about 3 or 4 peoples macs having hard drives go out in the last week. One of them lost some important photography stuff, and had to reshoot several clients. I've been running el-cheapo pc's for over 10 years and I've never had a hard drive fail out of nowhere. That shit is insane.</blockquote> I have a crappy Dell Inspiron that runs like a champ. The only time it's crashed is because of something I did wrong. I've never had a virus on it and I've never had ANY hardware issues. I fell for the Mac hype, admittedly. I love OSX but that doesn't justify me spending that much on a mediocre computer. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:13:48-04:00 2395371 1661 2009-09-09T16:14:35-04:00 Oh no, i have just ventured over to the world of Mac too.... 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:13:51-04:00 2395381 6159 2009-09-09T16:13:51-04:00 this made me laugh the other day <img src="http://i30.tinypic.com/2hgsap5.jpg"> /creep 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:14:02-04:00 2395391 1815 2009-09-09T16:14:02-04:00 I'm a PC. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:15:20-04:00 2395411 7093 2009-09-09T16:15:20-04:00 i guess im the only one with a positive experience with the genius bar. my hard drive dies after numerous fuck ups on my account. so i go to the apple store expecting a hefty fee, praying that there wasnt a fault with the logic board. ten minutes of me being there, the guy identified it was the hd, and told me they would replace it, and my keyboard (which had a hairline split on one side). not only did they say they would do it within half a day, they also did it for free. i have no mac care. my macbook is at least a year out of warranty. i literally have no idea why they offered to do it for free, but im not exactly going to complain. i turn up at the end of the day to a shiny clean macbook. sorry to hear you havent had the same experience, but its not all gloom with apple. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:15:52-04:00 2395441 2337 2009-09-09T16:15:52-04:00 ive had quite the opposite story. until about 1 year ago i had only used dell. during my "dell" years i always had problems and spent what seemed like hours on the phone with geek squad. About 1 year ago I got my macbook pro and have yet to have any problems what so ever. the fact that there arent any viruses (or major ones like there are on pcs) is a huge plus for me. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:16:49-04:00 2395451 10233 2009-09-09T16:16:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>conor said:</cite> As much as I understand your frustration, I wouldn't condemn a whole company due to one experience. I'm sure there is a Dell customer out there with a similar story, and I'm sure it goes for every company out there. Sucks about your Macbook though. If you kept with them they would eventually give you a new one for free.</blockquote> I understand what you're saying, but I don't have the time, money or patience to give Apple numerous chances. I shouldn't have to buy more than one machine to find one that works like it should. Not to mention, their customer service today on the phone is appalling. The guy was a complete jerk for no reason at all. All I wanted to know is when it would be in since I was told yesterday at the store it would be in today. A cute commercial and "it just works" isn't going to make me stay with Apple.</blockquote> I agree, it sucks that you were dealt those cards and given a bad experience. I've been lucky enough to mostly deal with competent people from Apple so my experiences have been fine. <a href="http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/customer_service_2009/index.asp">They are #20 on the top customer service for 2009</a>, it must mean something. But no company or person is perfect and its unfortunate that your situation was handled so poorly from a company with high standards. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:17:47-04:00 2395471 285 2009-09-09T16:20:55-04:00 How did YOU cause the hard drive to die? Did you like, take it out and throw it at the wall, or throw your computer in the pool or something? 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:18:00-04:00 2395481 997 2009-09-09T16:18:00-04:00 I've had a PowerPC G5 for 5 years now and never had any issue with it besides the fan. There do seem to be a lot of complaints about the laptops though. Maybe you just got a lemon? My last job was a strictly PC environment, but the current and previous have been Mac. All in all, there wasn't much difference between the two outside of different hotkeys. Personally I just hate the awful, virus prone OS known as Windows, not the hardware itself. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:19:29-04:00 2395501 6815 2009-09-09T16:19:29-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> How did YOU cause the hard drive to die? Did you like, take it out and throw it at the wall, or throw your computer in the pool or something?</blockquote> i spilt a pint of cola directly onto it. i couldnt turn it on for a day, but then it decided to work with the power cable in, so i presumed the battery was fucked. then a couple of weeks later, the battery decides it wants to live, and still works perfectly. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:20:13-04:00 2395521 2337 2009-09-09T16:20:13-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randi said:</cite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h35JhrEeHuQ</blockquote> Classic 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:20:18-04:00 2395531 10133 2009-09-09T16:20:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Visual Singularities said:</cite> I've had a PowerPC G5 for 5 years now and never had any issue with it besides the fan. There do seem to be a lot of complaints about the laptops though. Maybe you just got a lemon? My last job was a strictly PC environment, but the current and previous have been Mac. All in all, there wasn't much difference between the two outside of different hotkeys. Personally I just hate the awful, virus prone OS known as Windows, not the hardware itself.</blockquote> Honestly, if you have any clue, you don't need to worry about viruses on a PC. I don't mean that as a jab at you. I just mean that it's very easy to not get any viruses if you know what you're doing. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:22:00-04:00 2395581 1661 2009-09-09T16:22:00-04:00 My last Macbook cracked 3 times, just from closing it over time. I have been through 4 chargers, which keep melting. My first Macbook also cracked. My new Aluminium Macbook's mouse button is now broken, I have to click it about 3 times, most of the time to get it to work. Even though I have experienced so many problems with Apple Computers, It's nothing compared to the frustration I used to get using Windows! I used to feel like ripping my eyeballs out when my PC used to crash constantly & take about 3 weeks to start up. Apple fo' life y'all! 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:28:36-04:00 2395741 26051 2009-09-09T16:28:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Visual Singularities said:</cite> I've had a PowerPC G5 for 5 years now and never had any issue with it besides the fan. There do seem to be a lot of complaints about the laptops though. Maybe you just got a lemon? My last job was a strictly PC environment, but the current and previous have been Mac. All in all, there wasn't much difference between the two outside of different hotkeys. Personally I just hate the awful, virus prone OS known as Windows, not the hardware itself.</blockquote> Honestly, if you have any clue, you don't need to worry about viruses on a PC. I don't mean that as a jab at you. I just mean that it's very easy to not get any viruses if you know what you're doing.</blockquote> I've had probably 20 PCs over the last 15 years and have never had a problem with a virus. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:28:37-04:00 2395751 3028 2009-09-09T16:28:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Will Petersen said:</cite> My last Macbook cracked 3 times, just from closing it over time. I have been through 4 chargers, which keep melting. My first Macbook also cracked. My new Aluminium Macbook's mouse button is now broken, I have to click it about 3 times, most of the time to get it to work. </blockquote> Wow, that's a glowing endorsement ;) THAT should be their commercials! 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:30:49-04:00 2395811 1661 2009-09-09T16:30:49-04:00 i'm running a 3.5 year old pc with no problems whatsoever. suck it apple. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:31:13-04:00 2395831 14 2009-09-09T16:31:13-04:00 Oh yeah, & my battery died twice on my first Macbook! :D 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:32:09-04:00 2395851 26051 2009-09-09T16:32:09-04:00 I paid 300 bucks for an el-cheapo toshiba laptop, that has since been plugged in when our line got hit by lightening, and it still runs great two years later. I have used it so much the paint is worn off the areas where you rest your wrists typing. I did have to replace the charger after the lightning thing. It was like 12 bucks on ebay. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:33:47-04:00 2395881 997 2009-09-09T16:33:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Visual Singularities said:</cite> I've had a PowerPC G5 for 5 years now and never had any issue with it besides the fan. There do seem to be a lot of complaints about the laptops though. Maybe you just got a lemon? My last job was a strictly PC environment, but the current and previous have been Mac. All in all, there wasn't much difference between the two outside of different hotkeys. Personally I just hate the awful, virus prone OS known as Windows, not the hardware itself.</blockquote> Honestly, if you have any clue, you don't need to worry about viruses on a PC. I don't mean that as a jab at you. I just mean that it's very easy to not get any viruses if you know what you're doing.</blockquote> I agree with you, but most people don't have a clue or are just too lazy to set it up. Bottom line, you have to do pretty much zero virus control on a Mac, so it's just easier and more convenient. Not trying to argue with you, just giving some reasoning why all the Mac love. I've used both extensively and the end result was the same anyway. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:34:53-04:00 2395901 6815 2009-09-09T16:34:53-04:00 Listing all those problems: 4 x Broken chargers 3 x Broken casings 2 x Broken batterys 1 x Broken trackpad You think I would hate Apple, but I still love it. Dedication right there! Oh yeah & also whenever I have taken a broken computer in, they have sorted it out for me within 1 - 2 hours & I have never spoken to a "Genius" who wasn't "uber safe". 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:38:44-04:00 2395941 26051 2009-09-09T16:38:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>bluchez said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Visual Singularities said:</cite> I've had a PowerPC G5 for 5 years now and never had any issue with it besides the fan. There do seem to be a lot of complaints about the laptops though. Maybe you just got a lemon? My last job was a strictly PC environment, but the current and previous have been Mac. All in all, there wasn't much difference between the two outside of different hotkeys. Personally I just hate the awful, virus prone OS known as Windows, not the hardware itself.</blockquote> Honestly, if you have any clue, you don't need to worry about viruses on a PC. I don't mean that as a jab at you. I just mean that it's very easy to not get any viruses if you know what you're doing.</blockquote> I've had probably 20 PCs over the last 15 years and have never had a problem with a virus.</blockquote> Sounds like you've had some other problems if you've had 20 PCs in 15 years.........Or are you some sort of collector? 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:38:47-04:00 2395951 6815 2009-09-09T16:38:47-04:00 http://lifehacker.com/5351485/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-with-snow-leopard-start-to-finish?skyline=true&s=i 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:42:33-04:00 2396021 1112 2009-09-09T16:42:33-04:00 I'm buying a new laptop soon and I've been debating wether or not to go mac. I've heard a couple of bad accounts like yours but I've also heard bad things about dell, compaq and hewlett packard lately so I'm not sure what I'm going to do- probably just stick wth the devil i know. kinda sounds like you have a shity customer service problem and general hardware problem instead of an exclusively mac problem! who you going with now? 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:43:54-04:00 2396051 64041 2009-09-09T16:43:54-04:00 They really call their support staff 'Geniuses'? I didn't think apple could get anymore pretentious. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:44:05-04:00 2396061 7093 2009-09-09T16:44:05-04:00 My 4 year old G5 has never had an issue. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:47:35-04:00 2396091 13631 2009-09-09T16:47:35-04:00 There seems to be a bunch of Mac bashin' here. Thought I'd share my experiences with Macs: I've owned Apple Computers since 1994 and I've had zero problems with them - no hard drive failures, no cracking, no screen failures. That would be 7 Macs, including both desktops and laptops that I've NEVER had to bring in to get repaired. In fact, just last month after I purchased a new MacBook Pro I finally stopped using a PowerMac G4 that I had been using since 2002 - that's 7 years of daily use on one computer. And during the lifespan of those 7 Macs, I've never installed one piece of Virus software (hated the thought of updating virus definitions), never needed to defragments my hard drive, and hardly have to mess around with drivers, BIOS or any of that stuff Windows users have to worry about and maintain. And guess what, no viruses, no hard drive crashes and everything under the hood ran fine. I still own each and every Mac I've purchased throughout the years. I can still boot each one up fine and they work just as they did when I put them to rest. I use a Mac because I enjoy the OS and the hardware. If you enjoy using a PC then go ahead and use it! 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:48:49-04:00 2396111 7038 2009-09-09T16:48:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Visual Singularities said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>bluchez said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Visual Singularities said:</cite> I've had a PowerPC G5 for 5 years now and never had any issue with it besides the fan. There do seem to be a lot of complaints about the laptops though. Maybe you just got a lemon? My last job was a strictly PC environment, but the current and previous have been Mac. All in all, there wasn't much difference between the two outside of different hotkeys. Personally I just hate the awful, virus prone OS known as Windows, not the hardware itself.</blockquote> Honestly, if you have any clue, you don't need to worry about viruses on a PC. I don't mean that as a jab at you. I just mean that it's very easy to not get any viruses if you know what you're doing.</blockquote> I've had probably 20 PCs over the last 15 years and have never had a problem with a virus.</blockquote> Sounds like you've had some other problems if you've had 20 PCs in 15 years.........Or are you some sort of collector?</blockquote> I work from home, and I almost always have 3-5 or so that I use on a daily basis. 1 desktop, 1-2 laptops, 1-2 HTPC. I also buy machines for my company, so everytime anyone needs something new I get something new and they get what I just had. So, my turn around rate is pretty high. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:51:12-04:00 2396131 3028 2009-09-09T16:51:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> There seems to be a bunch of Mac bashin' here. Thought I'd share my experiences with Macs: I've owned Apple Computers since 1994 and I've had zero problems with them - no hard drive failures, no cracking, no screen failures. That would be 7 Macs, including both desktops and laptops that I've NEVER had to bring in to get repaired. In fact, just last month after I purchased a new MacBook Pro I finally stopped using a PowerMac G4 that I had been using since 2002 - that's 7 years of daily use on one computer. And during the lifespan of those 7 Macs, I've never installed one piece of Virus software (hated the thought of updating virus definitions), never needed to defragments my hard drive, and hardly have to mess around with drivers, BIOS or any of that stuff Windows users have to worry about and maintain. And guess what, no viruses, no hard drive crashes and everything under the hood ran fine. I still own each and every Mac I've purchased throughout the years. I can still boot each one up fine and they work just as they did when I put them to rest. I use a Mac because I enjoy the OS and the hardware. If you enjoy using a PC then go ahead and use it!</blockquote> I love OSX, but why pay $3k when I can get a better spec'd PC laptop for WAY less and still run OS X on it? I'm done paying for Apple's commercials. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:51:13-04:00 2396141 1661 2009-09-09T16:51:13-04:00 <blockquote><cite>LittleSpoon said:</cite> I'm buying a new laptop soon and I've been debating wether or not to go mac. I've heard a couple of bad accounts like yours but I've also heard bad things about dell, compaq and hewlett packard lately so I'm not sure what I'm going to do- probably just stick wth the devil i know. kinda sounds like you have a shity customer service problem and general hardware problem instead of an exclusively mac problem! who you going with now?</blockquote> Sure, all brands have problems sometimes. That said, I'd rather pay half the price to have these problems. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:51:50-04:00 2396161 1661 2009-09-09T16:51:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>joesnow said:</cite> this made me laugh the other day <img src="http://i30.tinypic.com/2hgsap5.jpg"> /creep</blockquote> the only thing that is creepy is that every time you mention him you say youre done creeping or youre an ex fan boy, and its annoying as hell. just stop it. im sure he doesnt mind that you are a fan of his work or just him in general, but if youre going to say that youre done creeping, stop creeping. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:54:34-04:00 2396251 1208 2009-09-09T16:54:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>andrE w. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>joesnow said:</cite> this made me laugh the other day <img src="http://i30.tinypic.com/2hgsap5.jpg"> /creep</blockquote> the only thing that is creepy is that every time you mention him you say youre done creeping or youre an ex fan boy, and its annoying as hell. just stop it. im sure he doesnt mind that you are a fan of his work or just him in general, but if youre going to say that youre done creeping, stop creeping.</blockquote> I think you need a hug dude. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T16:59:36-04:00 2396311 997 2009-09-09T16:59:36-04:00 yeah good point justgeoff id rather not pay premium prices for that sort of hassle 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:01:28-04:00 2396381 64041 2009-09-09T17:01:28-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> There seems to be a bunch of Mac bashin' here. Thought I'd share my experiences with Macs: I've owned Apple Computers since 1994 and I've had zero problems with them - no hard drive failures, no cracking, no screen failures. That would be 7 Macs, including both desktops and laptops that I've NEVER had to bring in to get repaired. In fact, just last month after I purchased a new MacBook Pro I finally stopped using a PowerMac G4 that I had been using since 2002 - that's 7 years of daily use on one computer. And during the lifespan of those 7 Macs, I've never installed one piece of Virus software (hated the thought of updating virus definitions), never needed to defragments my hard drive, and hardly have to mess around with drivers, BIOS or any of that stuff Windows users have to worry about and maintain. And guess what, no viruses, no hard drive crashes and everything under the hood ran fine. I still own each and every Mac I've purchased throughout the years. I can still boot each one up fine and they work just as they did when I put them to rest. I use a Mac because I enjoy the OS and the hardware. If you enjoy using a PC then go ahead and use it!</blockquote> I love OSX, but why pay $3k when I can get a better spec'd PC laptop for WAY less and still run OS X on it? I'm done paying for Apple's commercials.</blockquote> A better Spec'd PC laptop is not necessarily a better laptop. The example I always give is that I'd take a stock Lexus over a pimped out Kia any day. Sure, the Kia is 10x cheaper and has all the bells and whistles and is spec'd out to the limits, BUT, at the end of the day, the Lexus is a much better buy - even if I have to spend the extra moolah. Well, that's how i think of it anyway. Oh, and I should clarify that I am not bashing your decision to switch or install OS X on a PC - I just wanted to provide an example of a positive Mac experience. In fact, I'd love to install OS X one of those netbooks. And for the record, I have built a PC in the past but Windows never did it for me, gave that computer away after less than a year. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:01:34-04:00 2396391 7038 2009-09-09T17:01:34-04:00 but dudes if you do design you HAVE to have a mac. they're just so much better! 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:03:36-04:00 2396451 32291 2009-09-09T17:03:36-04:00 i can understand a mac for one reason and one reason only: sound design. pc's are a pain in the ass for that. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:06:35-04:00 2396481 1087 2009-09-09T17:06:35-04:00 Never has an issue with my beloved Mac. My iPod...thats another story. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:07:09-04:00 2396491 1368 2009-09-09T17:07:09-04:00 <blockquote><cite>dobi said:</cite> i'm running a 3.5 year old pc with no problems whatsoever. suck it apple.</blockquote> I have a pc I've had for over six years. There's been some renovations, but it works great and faster than any pc I've ever used. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:08:15-04:00 2396501 10311 2009-09-09T17:08:15-04:00 A Dell story: Dad got a dell desktop, turned it all in, plugged in his brand new ipod, and it fried it. Took the Ipod back, apple replaced it no worries, plugged the new one it, fried it. Tried again, they gave him another replacement, fried it. Thats apple giving out bout £1000 of ipod, even though it was due to no fault of their own. Thats good customer service. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:18:03-04:00 2396671 5982 2009-09-09T17:18:03-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ERgZ9dztk 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:20:42-04:00 2396761 40501 2009-09-09T17:20:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Guillermo said:</cite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ERgZ9dztk</blockquote> hahahaha 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:35:05-04:00 2397001 1087 2009-09-09T17:35:05-04:00 ive had my mac mini for about 3+ years and my macbook for 1 both work perfect 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:45:15-04:00 2397121 50311 2009-09-09T17:45:15-04:00 im just not cool enough to own a mac. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T17:49:59-04:00 2397181 9099 2009-09-09T17:49:59-04:00 I've been working on PCs since I was 12 and still today I use a PC. Love 'em. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:01:34-04:00 2397271 2471 2009-09-09T18:01:34-04:00 if you can download music and open cs, i don't really care what i am using 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:04:37-04:00 2397311 1638 2009-09-09T18:04:37-04:00 heheh PC way to be... 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:04:50-04:00 2397321 2870 2009-09-09T18:04:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>dobi said:</cite> i'm running a 3.5 year old pc with no problems whatsoever. suck it apple.</blockquote> 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:07:09-04:00 2397351 29171 2009-09-09T18:07:09-04:00 haha i have a 6 year old inspirion 5100. battery life is shit but i never unplug it and its never had a problem. i refuse to buy a new laptop until this one shits out on me. but all signs point to a macbook air after this one, unless this last like another year or 2 and something even more badass is bombing around at the time. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:14:19-04:00 2397431 12687 2009-09-09T18:14:19-04:00 Macbook Air? Guess you're not planning on using it for anything more than the internet 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:36:31-04:00 2397721 1661 2009-09-09T18:36:31-04:00 im a writer. that about the extent of my needs. i dont need photoshop or anything. just a word processor and wikipidea haha. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:41:40-04:00 2397781 12687 2009-09-09T18:41:40-04:00 I've got a Macbook pro and it's about 5 months old and I have had no hardware issues with it. I'm having software issues. Fuck snow leopard. Photoshop crashes on me 20x a day. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:45:48-04:00 2397841 7615 2009-09-09T18:45:48-04:00 I got almost the exact same experience. I got a late 07 mac book pro 15inch laptop bought it from a friend who paid 2,200 for it brand new 2 years ago. The battery died and stopped holding charges within a year.. so now i gotta keep it plugged in to use it. About a month ago, i goto turn it on, and the screen is black, nothing... i start looking thru forums and doing my own trouble shooting(turns out ton of ppl have this issue of the logic board going), then im on the phone with apple support then to the local genius bar. Turns out the logic board went, costed exactly $1,322.50 with parts and labor to fix!! I was very lucky to get it fixed free. I'm not sure if my friend had apple care protection, or the logic board received an extended warranty due to so many complaints. But it got fixed free so I was happy. But now im nervous using it all i wanna do is sell it and get a new one with a warranty since i don't wanna lose my investment. I do like the mac alot, but if i would of lost my whole investment, I dont think I would of been buying an apple again in the near future. But since they fixed it free, i'm somewhat satisfied. And will get another one just gonna make sure the warranty never runs out. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T18:51:48-04:00 2397951 6607 2009-09-09T18:55:13-04:00 this is strange. i've really never had anything go wrong with my mac. <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> I have read about 3 or 4 peoples macs having hard drives go out in the last week. One of them lost some important photography stuff, and had to reshoot several clients.</blockquote> this is also strange. obviously i don't know the whole situation, but professional photographers always have their files backed up on at least one external drive. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T19:13:15-04:00 2398341 884 2009-09-09T19:13:15-04:00 I've had a MacBook Pro for 2 years, no problems. Prior to this I have gone through numerous PCs and had major problems with each one of them within a year. I'm not trying to say anything, but I'm just saying. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T19:32:38-04:00 2398831 1811 2009-09-09T19:32:38-04:00 My 15 inch Macbook Pro's logicboard fried on me a couple months back. So now I use my old G4 PPC PowerMac. Still gets the job done, but takes a lot longer to do everything. I've been trying to install OS X on a Toshiba Laptop, but I just get stuck on the grey Apple loading screen.. I'll never use any MicroShaft products if I don't have to. Long Live Apple. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T19:33:25-04:00 2398861 8909 2009-09-09T19:33:25-04:00 <blockquote><cite>hideouscarwreck said:</cite> this is strange. i've really never had anything go wrong with my mac. <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> I have read about 3 or 4 peoples macs having hard drives go out in the last week. One of them lost some important photography stuff, and had to reshoot several clients.</blockquote> this is also strange. obviously i don't know the whole situation, but professional photographers always have their files backed up on at least one external drive.</blockquote> yeah, I agree. I have had my MacBook Pro for a little over a year and I still LOVE it. The only problems I've been having are with Photoshop CS4...I have so many fonts that it crashes sometimes, but that's not a problem with the computer. I just mainly love how fast it operates and not having to worry about viruses. All of my PCs always had a new virus that bogged them down or rendered them inoperable...So, yeah I'll take my Mac, thank you. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T19:34:36-04:00 2398911 11188 2009-09-09T19:34:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>hideouscarwreck said:</cite> this is strange. i've really never had anything go wrong with my mac. <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> I have read about 3 or 4 peoples macs having hard drives go out in the last week. One of them lost some important photography stuff, and had to reshoot several clients.</blockquote> this is also strange. obviously i don't know the whole situation, but professional photographers always have their files backed up on at least one external drive.</blockquote> http://www.fortysixtyphoto.com/blog/ 75301 Post 2009-09-09T19:39:58-04:00 2398981 997 2009-09-09T19:39:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>sittingduck said:</cite> honestly though, mac's are just overpriced pc's with better looks and a bunch of heresay to back them up.</blockquote> 75301 Post 2009-09-09T20:44:33-04:00 2400201 13354 2009-09-09T20:44:33-04:00 More for us! Here you go: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=free+antivirus&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=free+spyware+removal&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10 75301 Post 2009-09-09T20:48:37-04:00 2400261 265 2009-09-09T20:48:53-04:00 Yeah, I'd be upset too. My friend had an issue with his battery...then his screen...then the disc drive all in about a year. The Mac store finally gave him a brand new Macbook Pro, an upgraded version of the older one he had. And they threw in Apple Care for free also. Only thing was he couldn't take the box from the new Macbook Pro. I've had my Macbook since 06' and it's still going strong. Stuff happens.......unfortunately. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T21:24:44-04:00 2400671 13393 2009-09-09T21:24:44-04:00 Id flip my shit if something happened to my mac, all these stories are scaring me! 75301 Post 2009-09-09T21:42:13-04:00 2401121 537 2009-09-09T21:42:13-04:00 We'll miss you from over here. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T22:09:18-04:00 2401771 7108 2009-09-09T22:09:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>manos said:</cite> I've been working on PCs since I was 12 and still today I use a PC. Love 'em.</blockquote> i was like 8 75301 Post 2009-09-09T22:49:39-04:00 2402331 40501 2009-09-09T22:49:39-04:00 My friend Mark uses a Mac. He's gone through an ibook logicboard, an ibook keyboard, the disc drive in his imac took his disc and wouldnt eject it. had to take it apart and replace the drive himself, because apple techs huff their own farts and think their services are worth an arm and a leg. I like Macs and OSX is a pretty OS. I dislike mac users who insist their apple product is superior because they've yet to experience the joy of replacing a $400 logic board. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T22:54:42-04:00 2402441 32291 2009-09-09T22:54:42-04:00 I'll give ya $20 for your macbook :) 75301 Post 2009-09-09T23:28:45-04:00 2402941 1067 2009-09-09T23:28:45-04:00 im one of those switched to mac 6 yrs ago and never going back people. granted, i may not be using it like you guys do designing everyday, but ive been using my imac i got 6 yrs ago everyday for business and still no major issues. i think the fan went but i didnt clean it and a colony of dust bunnies invaded it. i also have a macbook that ive had for 2+ yrs and still no issues. i get the price thing and maybe a certain batch or model has tons of issues but i sure as hell love the no viruses and fact that ive had no problems. my old dell laptop took a gigantic crap about 3 times where i was on the phone for 2+ hrs each time because it wouldnt do anything. so it goes. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T23:40:26-04:00 2403061 1271 2009-09-09T23:40:26-04:00 ive got a macbook pro and honestly the only reason i have to complain about it is when i run windows on it hahaha i REALLLLY need photoshop for mac though. can anyone point me in the right direction? cuz im sick to death of rebooting back and forth using crappy ass vista on my MB pro. 75301 Post 2009-09-09T23:41:42-04:00 2403101 12759 2009-09-09T23:41:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Monster Pop said:</cite> ive got a macbook pro and honestly the only reason i have to complain about it is when i run windows on it hahaha i REALLLLY need photoshop for mac though. can anyone point me in the right direction? cuz im sick to death of rebooting back and forth using crappy ass vista on my MB pro.</blockquote> www.adobe.com 75301 Post 2009-09-09T23:44:07-04:00 2403131 5707 2009-09-09T23:44:07-04:00 <blockquote><cite>{miles to go} said:</cite> im one of those switched to mac 6 yrs ago and never going back people. granted, i may not be using it like you guys do designing everyday, but ive been using my imac i got 6 yrs ago everyday for business and still no major issues. i think the fan went but i didnt clean it and a colony of dust bunnies invaded it. i also have a macbook that ive had for 2+ yrs and still no issues. i get the price thing and maybe a certain batch or model has tons of issues but <b>i sure as hell love the no viruses</b> and fact that ive had no problems. my old dell laptop took a gigantic crap about 3 times where i was on the phone for 2+ hrs each time because it wouldnt do anything. so it goes.</blockquote> The statement below isn't being voiced directly towards you, but the mac user base as a whole. As a new mac user I find the amount of ignorance mac users have towards virus' astounding. There ARE virus' out there for our macs, and they are becoming more of an issue. The reason most hackers aren't developing virus' for mac is because they want to attack the majority, which is of course windows based machines. With mac users on the rise, it's not long before mac virus' become more frequently heard of. I beg you, don't think your machine is bullet proof because it's made by apple, we are just as vulnerable as PC users. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T00:03:06-04:00 2403321 11176 2009-09-10T00:05:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Fathom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>{miles to go} said:</cite> im one of those switched to mac 6 yrs ago and never going back people. granted, i may not be using it like you guys do designing everyday, but ive been using my imac i got 6 yrs ago everyday for business and still no major issues. i think the fan went but i didnt clean it and a colony of dust bunnies invaded it. i also have a macbook that ive had for 2+ yrs and still no issues. i get the price thing and maybe a certain batch or model has tons of issues but i sure as hell love the no viruses and fact that ive had no problems. my old dell laptop took a gigantic crap about 3 times where i was on the phone for 2+ hrs each time because it wouldnt do anything. so it goes.</blockquote> As a new mac user I find the amount of ignorance mac users have towards virus' astounding. There ARE virus' out there for our macs, and they are becoming more of an issue. The reason most hackers aren't developing virus' for mac is because they want to attack the majority, which is of course windows based machines. With mac users on the rise, it's not long before mac virus' become more frequently heard of. I beg you, don't think your machine is bullet proof because it's made by apple, we are just as vulnerable as PC users.</blockquote> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Ompf5Qtxg&feature=PlayList&p=C7B1071D4BA8D706&index=0&playnext=1 true in my eyes 75301 Post 2009-09-10T00:05:16-04:00 2403341 1112 2009-09-10T00:05:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>TheMindriotSean said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Fathom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>{miles to go} said:</cite> im one of those switched to mac 6 yrs ago and never going back people. granted, i may not be using it like you guys do designing everyday, but ive been using my imac i got 6 yrs ago everyday for business and still no major issues. i think the fan went but i didnt clean it and a colony of dust bunnies invaded it. i also have a macbook that ive had for 2+ yrs and still no issues. i get the price thing and maybe a certain batch or model has tons of issues but i sure as hell love the no viruses and fact that ive had no problems. my old dell laptop took a gigantic crap about 3 times where i was on the phone for 2+ hrs each time because it wouldnt do anything. so it goes.</blockquote> As a new mac user I find the amount of ignorance mac users have towards virus' astounding. There ARE virus' out there for our macs, and they are becoming more of an issue. The reason most hackers aren't developing virus' for mac is because they want to attack the majority, which is of course windows based machines. With mac users on the rise, it's not long before mac virus' become more frequently heard of. I beg you, don't think your machine is bullet proof because it's made by apple, we are just as vulnerable as PC users.</blockquote> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Ompf5Qtxg&feature=PlayList&p=C7B1071D4BA8D706&index=0&playnext=1 true in my eyes</blockquote> Ok, so because apple says it; it means it's not possible? There already are viruses out there for macs, which coins the above advertisement bullshit. Like I said, the only reason hackers are leaving us alone, is because we're still a minority, and when they want to; they WILL development the trojans and viruses to take down macs. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T00:10:12-04:00 2403451 11176 2009-09-10T00:11:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Fathom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>TheMindriotSean said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Fathom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>{miles to go} said:</cite> im one of those switched to mac 6 yrs ago and never going back people. granted, i may not be using it like you guys do designing everyday, but ive been using my imac i got 6 yrs ago everyday for business and still no major issues. i think the fan went but i didnt clean it and a colony of dust bunnies invaded it. i also have a macbook that ive had for 2+ yrs and still no issues. i get the price thing and maybe a certain batch or model has tons of issues but i sure as hell love the no viruses and fact that ive had no problems. my old dell laptop took a gigantic crap about 3 times where i was on the phone for 2+ hrs each time because it wouldnt do anything. so it goes.</blockquote> As a new mac user I find the amount of ignorance mac users have towards virus' astounding. There ARE virus' out there for our macs, and they are becoming more of an issue. The reason most hackers aren't developing virus' for mac is because they want to attack the majority, which is of course windows based machines. With mac users on the rise, it's not long before mac virus' become more frequently heard of. I beg you, don't think your machine is bullet proof because it's made by apple, we are just as vulnerable as PC users.</blockquote> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Ompf5Qtxg&feature=PlayList&p=C7B1071D4BA8D706&index=0&playnext=1 true in my eyes</blockquote> Ok, so because apple says it; it means it's not possible? There already are viruses out the for macs, which coins the above advertisement bullshit. Like I said, the only reason hackers are leaving us alone, is because we're still a minority, and when they want to; they WILL development the trojans and viruses to take down macs.</blockquote> what fathom is saying is true. a bunch of mac users were getting fucked up by a trojan they got while trying to steal iLife 09. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T00:12:06-04:00 2403461 5707 2009-09-10T00:12:06-04:00 similar feelings after buying a new imac expecting something freekin amazing compared to my 5 year old Dell Desktop... nothing too amazing for the $$$$...but in the end still an Apple/mac fan... but too aware of the HYPE!... i mean i bought into it myself. Photoshop NEVER crashed on my 6 year old DEll crappy desktop but crashes on brand new iMac?? That is reprehensible...and in certain ways my work flow was faster on the CS Illustrator on the old Dell versus the CS3 on the new imac.. whaaaT???? 75301 Post 2009-09-10T00:21:04-04:00 2403531 2328 2009-09-10T00:21:04-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Fathom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>{miles to go} said:</cite> im one of those switched to mac 6 yrs ago and never going back people. granted, i may not be using it like you guys do designing everyday, but ive been using my imac i got 6 yrs ago everyday for business and still no major issues. i think the fan went but i didnt clean it and a colony of dust bunnies invaded it. i also have a macbook that ive had for 2+ yrs and still no issues. i get the price thing and maybe a certain batch or model has tons of issues but <b>i sure as hell love the no viruses</b> and fact that ive had no problems. my old dell laptop took a gigantic crap about 3 times where i was on the phone for 2+ hrs each time because it wouldnt do anything. so it goes.</blockquote> The statement below isn't being voiced directly towards you, but the mac user base as a whole. As a new mac user I find the amount of ignorance mac users have towards virus' astounding. There ARE virus' out there for our macs, and they are becoming more of an issue. The reason most hackers aren't developing virus' for mac is because they want to attack the majority, which is of course windows based machines. With mac users on the rise, it's not long before mac virus' become more frequently heard of. I beg you, don't think your machine is bullet proof because it's made by apple, we are just as vulnerable as PC users.</blockquote> The amount of laziness or just plain ignorance surrounding mac vulnerability is astounding. You are completely correct. http://www.topnews.in/security-researcher-hacks-mac-just-under-10-seconds-2141834 Logic board failures exist, Kernel panics exist. These problems aren't fictional and if your apple care runs out, you're fucked unless you DIY. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T00:25:47-04:00 2403561 32291 2009-09-10T00:25:47-04:00 ive got a 5 year + old G4 tower OSX running 10.3 its run trouble free 24 hrs a day for the 3 years ive owned it. Ive only ever added ram and a second hard drive. Will run several Adobe programs at once and rarely fails or crashes (unlike newer windows machines in the office) in my 14 year career as a designer ive used about 5 macs. my last two iMacs that have only gone down because of a screen PowerSupply problem and a Harddisk fail... but they where easy fixes, the others still work/ed or went to the recycler happy macs. MAC 4 EVA 75301 Post 2009-09-10T00:27:19-04:00 2403581 3804 2009-09-10T00:28:11-04:00 i'm a PC as well. and i'd like to rant for a few mins because i'm trying to stay up so i can sleep in the car for an 8 hour drive soon. yeah dude, i hate macs. they get you becasue they are so foreign to work. my Dell i know how to fix everything on it, i can run anything i want... SURE it takes it a seccond to render high res images, but come on. macs have that stupid circle that comes up... also i like my right click. WHY HAVE ONE BUTTON MAC?! i hate you and your fancy ways. granted i like the big ones that take up your entire desk and its all built into the screen... i think thats cool, but to use it for anything other than garage band and playing with a synthesizer at best buy is just pointless. there are no imputs to use it for anything else. i have a dell laptop vostro with vista... granted vista gets confused a lot, its still given me no problems because if it DOES, i save everything to my external anyway so if anything fucks up, 3 hours to fix with a reinstall of the OS, and if i get ENTIRELY pissed i can just install XP. WUU HUU. i hate macs for trying to be so damn hard only things i like about the mac: the Dock. and the look... waaiiit... i can make my pc look just like it. and i can install stardock... for FREE. (Google that and clean up your desktop people.) fuck macs. i have a desktop sitting in my living room attached to a 42 inch lcd tv with an hdmi cable. and it OWNS. the pc is old and never gave me problems becasue i BUILT IT MYSELF. and one more thing. i love it when people OWN macs think they should be like OOOOOOH i have a mac! i'm part of the Mac community! like you need a support group for your piece of shit over expensive computer. that you really cant fix yourself if it breaks. theres a rule my dad taught me: if it has movable parts it WILL BREAK after a while. learn how to fix the problem and learn how to prolong your equipment. hell i have an old laptop with xp with 1 gig of ram, 32 bit graphics card and it rocked the SHIT out of illustrator and photoshop cs3. i also found a theme that made my pc LOOK just like an apple. so when i took it to school, my teacher told me i needed a mac, so i brought what i could. my pc. and i learned pc shortcuts, because whoever designed the command key is a fucking moron and just were trying to be difficult. thank you for letting me rant people. i hate macs, but i can use the shit out of them if i have to. i'll end with what macs are GOOD for. if you go to a school with a mac lab, you can "Cache" myspace using google and checkyour myspace from school. for those computers who block sites like facebook and myspace. only redeeming quality. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T01:58:33-04:00 2404581 10321 2009-09-10T02:01:12-04:00 jesus i'm sorry i never realize how much i type in this tiny box. appologies. i dont care if anyone read that, i just needed to get it out of my system. :D 75301 Post 2009-09-10T02:02:37-04:00 2404611 10321 2009-09-10T02:02:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>mikedot said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Fathom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>{miles to go} said:</cite> im one of those switched to mac 6 yrs ago and never going back people. granted, i may not be using it like you guys do designing everyday, but ive been using my imac i got 6 yrs ago everyday for business and still no major issues. i think the fan went but i didnt clean it and a colony of dust bunnies invaded it. i also have a macbook that ive had for 2+ yrs and still no issues. i get the price thing and maybe a certain batch or model has tons of issues but <b>i sure as hell love the no viruses</b> and fact that ive had no problems. my old dell laptop took a gigantic crap about 3 times where i was on the phone for 2+ hrs each time because it wouldnt do anything. so it goes.</blockquote> The statement below isn't being voiced directly towards you, but the mac user base as a whole. As a new mac user I find the amount of ignorance mac users have towards virus' astounding. There ARE virus' out there for our macs, and they are becoming more of an issue. The reason most hackers aren't developing virus' for mac is because they want to attack the majority, which is of course windows based machines. With mac users on the rise, it's not long before mac virus' become more frequently heard of. I beg you, don't think your machine is bullet proof because it's made by apple, we are just as vulnerable as PC users.</blockquote> The amount of laziness or just plain ignorance surrounding mac vulnerability is astounding. You are completely correct. http://www.topnews.in/security-researcher-hacks-mac-just-under-10-seconds-2141834 Logic board failures exist, Kernel panics exist. These problems aren't fictional and if your apple care runs out, you're fucked unless you DIY.</blockquote> in regards also to Mac security...I would like to note that one of the very first "Viruses" to appear on personal computers was in 1981 on an Apple based computer. Definitely shows that the OS hasn't been invulnerable from the start. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T03:17:02-04:00 2405151 6950 2009-09-10T03:17:02-04:00 I know before in the past I've said things that made me an apple whore, but I somewhat agree with this thread. My 2 year old macbook pro's videocard went out a few weeks ago, took it in and had them fix it. When I got it back, my firewire port stopped working. Now I gotta take it in again. Not to mention that my I needa get a battery replacement cuz my battery goes from 100 - 0 in like a matter of minutes. Pretty frustrating. But honestly, I would work at the apple store (in which i am trying to get a job there right now) cuz they pay pretty well =) I need monies! 75301 Post 2009-09-10T03:18:57-04:00 2405171 2765 2009-09-10T03:18:57-04:00 <blockquote><cite>I AM SCUMBAG said:</cite> <br><b> 1: my Dell i know how to fix everything on it, i can run anything i want... SURE it takes it a seccond to render high res images, but come on. macs have that stupid circle that comes up... also i like my right click.</b> <br> <br><b> 2: granted vista gets confused a lot, its still given me no problems because if it DOES, i save everything to my external anyway so if anything fucks up, 3 hours to fix with a reinstall of the OS, and if i get ENTIRELY pissed i can just install XP.</b> vv</blockquote> First of all, I bought my G5 about 6 years ago and not once have I EVER had a problem with ANYTHING. I have downloaded, created videos in Final Cut, recorded a whole album for my band, and used it as my main source for freelance design for 3 years. I can have ten programs open at once, freely interchanging between them through all forms of media (audio, video, graphics, etc.) and not have any form of slow down. With that being said... 1: Okay, maybe you know how to fix everything on your Dell, but what the hell? I don't need to fix shit with my 6 year old Mac. I know how to fix and navigate a PC, but why should you have to fix a virus on a fuck wad piece of shit PC? Why bother? Why not spend a few extra dollars to have a computer you can depend on for years and years? Any horror story involving a Mac is countered by thousands of fucking brutal and unexplainable PC melt downs. I have used both, trust me, PCs 1/10 of the time either fuck up for mysterious reasons or get clogged with bull shit internet viruses and porn pop ups. It seems to me, more so than the band wagon Mac fans, that there are more uneducated PC "advocates" that defend a dying and unstable platform just for the sake of not being a "trendy" Mac user. 2: Why the fuck would anybody in the modern age have to worry about spending 3 hours for their machine's mistake? Have you heard of Time Machine for the Mac? Guess not. The Mac is constantly thinking and working when you are too stupid to press Control-S. Maybe you should do a little more research, all of you. The Mac on all fronts is by far the superior machine. Swallow your pride and stop defending a dying technology just because it's cheaper. That cheapness will get you a few months of semi-working bullshit of virus free computing. Without anti-virus and bullshit protection programs that the internet spews out at you every day, there is no way that computer will last longer than a year without any sort of defensive actions that must take place to salvage your work place. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T03:27:25-04:00 2405231 2141 2009-09-10T03:37:53-04:00 I use HP all the way, I've never had trouble with any of their products. I used to work at Circuit City and literally over 50% of the computers that came in for repairs at our store were Dell's...when we didn't even carry them. As far as durability, I have ruled them out from my experience. Mac's are just very overpriced shiny toys with limited functionality in my eyes. Sure they have a cool dashboard, and a bunch of "sweet apps"...but it's really just all flashy stuff with no substance. When I went to college in Boston, they gave us in the Arch/Eng program Mac's...I've never had more trouble in my life with a computer than that Macbook. EDIT: And fucking YES to being able to "right-click"...why would Mac EVER decide to not implement that? 75301 Post 2009-09-10T03:56:20-04:00 2405511 12825 2009-09-10T04:03:15-04:00 I love my MB, but I feel like a douche opening it at a Starbucks. Everyone looks at me like I'm a pampas dickhole. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T03:57:44-04:00 2405551 1827 2009-09-10T03:57:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> I use HP all the way, I've never had trouble with any of their products. I used to work at Circuit City and literally over 50% of the computers that came in for repairs at our store were Dell's...when we didn't even carry them. As far as durability, I have ruled them out from my experience. Mac's are just very overpriced shiny toys with limited functionality in my eyes. Sure they have a cool dashboard, and a bunch of "sweet apps"...but it's really just all flashy stuff with no substance. When I went to college in Boston, they gave us in the Arch/Eng program Mac's...I've never had more trouble in my life with a computer than that Macbook.</blockquote> I had a HP and it was shit 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:00:47-04:00 2405601 3804 2009-09-10T04:00:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>jumpy said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> I use HP all the way, I've never had trouble with any of their products. I used to work at Circuit City and literally over 50% of the computers that came in for repairs at our store were Dell's...when we didn't even carry them. As far as durability, I have ruled them out from my experience. Mac's are just very overpriced shiny toys with limited functionality in my eyes. Sure they have a cool dashboard, and a bunch of "sweet apps"...but it's really just all flashy stuff with no substance. When I went to college in Boston, they gave us in the Arch/Eng program Mac's...I've never had more trouble in my life with a computer than that Macbook.</blockquote> I had a HP and it was shit</blockquote> My HP has a quad-core processor, 4 GB's of memory, nearly a TB of HDD, awesome Nvidia graphics card, and everything else you could ever want (HDMI, Co-axle cable port, media bay plugin hard-drive slot...basically the works) and I got it all for under $700. I wouldn't get a machine half as powerful as that from Apple even at $2000 price mark. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:08:52-04:00 2405621 12825 2009-09-10T04:09:06-04:00 Right click is for people who don't know key commands... 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:22:24-04:00 2405811 2141 2009-09-10T04:22:24-04:00 Can we please get over the "right click" thing. Plug in a two button mouse on a Mac and you have right click functionality, end of story. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:24:49-04:00 2405901 7038 2009-09-10T04:24:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Agreed. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:25:27-04:00 2405911 7038 2009-09-10T04:25:27-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway? 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:28:41-04:00 2405961 12825 2009-09-10T04:28:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>I AM SCUMBAG said:</cite> <br><b> 1: my Dell i know how to fix everything on it, i can run anything i want... SURE it takes it a seccond to render high res images, but come on. macs have that stupid circle that comes up... also i like my right click.</b> <br> <br><b> 2: granted vista gets confused a lot, its still given me no problems because if it DOES, i save everything to my external anyway so if anything fucks up, 3 hours to fix with a reinstall of the OS, and if i get ENTIRELY pissed i can just install XP.</b> vv</blockquote> First of all, I bought my G5 about 6 years ago and not once have I EVER had a problem with ANYTHING. I have downloaded, created videos in Final Cut, recorded a whole album for my band, and used it as my main source for freelance design for 3 years. I can have ten programs open at once, freely interchanging between them through all forms of media (audio, video, graphics, etc.) and not have any form of slow down. With that being said... 1: Okay, maybe you know how to fix everything on your Dell, but what the hell? I don't need to fix shit with my 6 year old Mac. I know how to fix and navigate a PC, but why should you have to fix a virus on a fuck wad piece of shit PC? Why bother? Why not spend a few extra dollars to have a computer you can depend on for years and years? Any horror story involving a Mac is countered by thousands of fucking brutal and unexplainable PC melt downs. I have used both, trust me, PCs 1/10 of the time either fuck up for mysterious reasons or get clogged with bull shit internet viruses and porn pop ups. It seems to me, more so than the band wagon Mac fans, that there are more uneducated PC "advocates" that defend a dying and unstable platform just for the sake of not being a "trendy" Mac user. 2: Why the fuck would anybody in the modern age have to worry about spending 3 hours for their machine's mistake? Have you heard of Time Machine for the Mac? Guess not. The Mac is constantly thinking and working when you are too stupid to press Control-S. Maybe you should do a little more research, all of you. The Mac on all fronts is by far the superior machine. Swallow your pride and stop defending a dying technology just because it's cheaper. That cheapness will get you a few months of semi-working bullshit of virus free computing. Without anti-virus and bullshit protection programs that the internet spews out at you every day, there is no way that computer will last longer than a year without any sort of defensive actions that must take place to salvage your work place.</blockquote> Amen. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:29:11-04:00 2405991 26051 2009-09-10T04:29:11-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> It seems to me, more so than the band wagon Mac fans, that there are more uneducated PC "advocates" that defend a dying and unstable platform just for the sake of not being a "trendy" Mac user.</blockquote> 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:30:46-04:00 2406001 7038 2009-09-10T04:30:46-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:31:46-04:00 2406021 7038 2009-09-10T04:31:46-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite>...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> I can't speak for Dilly Cakes but I've been defending the Mac since the early 90's. Back when many people predicted that the Mac would die off, go bankrupt or be bought by Dell. Back before it was trendy to use a Mac I had to defend myself for choosing Mac OS 7 over Windows 95. That's why I fight tooth and nail defending the Mac. Whenever a Mac vs. PC argument comes up I just have to defend the Mac, it's in my DNA. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:35:36-04:00 2406051 7038 2009-09-10T04:37:13-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> For every time you right click, your left hand could be doing key commands while your free mouse hand could be moving on to it's next task. It's by far more efficient for people who can multi-task. I am not fighting for the use of Mac rather than educating and sharing my personal experience with both platforms just as everyone else is. I personally prefer the superior company. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:35:39-04:00 2406061 2141 2009-09-10T04:37:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. I don't see how you can call PC's (or agree with calling Pc's) a "dying platform" when they still to this day control over 90% of the market while the Mac has been "trendy" for quite some time now. A high price tag in conjunction with a clever ad campaign does not yield a superior product by default. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:38:36-04:00 2406111 12825 2009-09-10T04:51:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> For every time you right click, your left hand could be doing key commands while your free mouse hand could be moving on to it's next task. It's by far more efficient for people who can multi-task. I am not fighting for the use of Mac rather than educating and sharing my personal experience with both platforms just as everyone else is. I personally prefer the superior company.</blockquote> Well from how it appears in your response to that I Am Scumbag guy, you absolutely are fighting for the "use of the Mac". I don't think you could be doing so more blatantly in fact. What superiority does Apple have over any high end PC company? You claim you can run multiple programs without your Mac getting sluggish...great...so can any PC with a decent graphics card. You complain about the virus aspect of owning a PC...download one of the many free virus protection programs out there that DO work extremely well and have it installed within 2 minutes and you never have to worry about it again. So for that 2 minutes of downloading AVG or any other decent enough virus program...you would rather spend an additional $2000 on a machine? Your choice, but doesn't make sense to me. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:50:53-04:00 2406241 12825 2009-09-10T04:54:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. I don't see how you can call PC's (or agree with calling Pc's) a "dying platform" when they still to this day control over 90% of the market while the Mac has been "trendy" for quite some time now. A high price tag in conjunction with a clever ad campaign does not yield a great product by default.</blockquote> Yeah, I'm sure only 10% of the market is paying for those "cute" commercials... You need to look no further than numbers released by NPD to understand Apple’s dominance. Its revenue share of the “premium” price market — that is, computers over $1,000 — is a staggering 91%. This means that 9 out of every 10 retail dollars that is spent on PCs in that price range, goes to Apple. 90% my ass. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T04:55:02-04:00 2406261 2141 2009-09-10T04:55:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> For every time you right click, your left hand could be doing key commands while your free mouse hand could be moving on to it's next task. It's by far more efficient for people who can multi-task. I am not fighting for the use of Mac rather than educating and sharing my personal experience with both platforms just as everyone else is. I personally prefer the superior company.</blockquote> Well from how it appears in your response to that I Am Scumbag guy, you absolutely are fighting for the "use of the Mac". I don't think you could more blatantly do so in fact. What superiority does Apple have over any high end PC company? You claim you can run multiple programs without your Mac getting sluggish...great...so can any PC with a decent graphics card. You complain about the virus aspect of owning a PC...download one of the many free virus protection programs out there that DO work extremely well and have it installed within 2 minutes and you never have to worry about it again. So for that 2 minutes of downloading AVG or any other decent enough virus program...you would rather spend an additional $2000 on a machine? Your choice, but doesn't make sense to me.</blockquote> I shouldn't have to download anything to make sure my machine runs properly after I buy it. Why on earth would that shit not be available to me right out of the package? Not everyone is computer savvy as you and I, and if they go too long on a PC without downloading some bullshit program that is not needed on a Mac but IS absolutely crucial for the life of your PC, then their computer is fucked. Let's put it into perspective. You pay for a suite in a hotel, you get what you pay for. You pay for HD over standard definition, because you want better quality. You pay for Gatorade over Power Aid because it taste better. You pay for Chili's over McDonald's because their burgers are real... You pay for Macs over a PC because they are a better fucking computer. PCs may be cheaper, but for longevity and quality, a Mac will give you much more. Especially in the career of design, audio, or video. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:04:50-04:00 2406341 2141 2009-09-10T05:04:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. I don't see how you can call PC's (or agree with calling Pc's) a "dying platform" when they still to this day control over 90% of the market while the Mac has been "trendy" for quite some time now. A high price tag in conjunction with a clever ad campaign does not yield a great product by default.</blockquote> Yeah, I'm sure only 10% of the market is paying for those "cute" commercials... You need to look no further than numbers released by NPD to understand Apple’s dominance. Its revenue share of the “premium” price market — that is, computers over $1,000 — is a staggering 91%. This means that 9 out of every 10 retail dollars that is spent on PCs in that price range, goes to Apple. 90% my ass.</blockquote> Well when 10% of the people are paying upwards of $2-3,000 for their computers, while the other %90 is paying typically between $500-$900 on their computers...,then yes, I believe they are paying for those commercials with ease. Two guys in a white room with a pseudo-clever script? Yeah, that must be enormously expensive... However, what I though was common knowledge at this point was that Apple's revenue largely comes by way of their iPods...so their revenue stream to produce those said commercials should not be looked at merely in terms of their computer sales. But by the way...when a company ad campaign consists almost solely of disparaging other corporations, chances are that company isn't that great to start with. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:05:29-04:00 2406361 12825 2009-09-10T05:05:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> I shouldn't have to download anything to make sure my machine runs properly after I buy it. Why on earth would that shit not be available to me right out of the package? Not everyone is computer savvy as you and I, and if they go too long on a PC without downloading some bullshit program that is not needed on a Mac but IS absolutely crucial for the life of your PC, then their computer is fucked. Let's put it into perspective. You pay for a suite in a hotel, you get what you pay for. You pay for HD over standard definition, because you want better quality. You pay for Gatorade over Power Aid because it taste better. You pay for Chili's over McDonald's because their burgers are real... You pay for Macs over a PC because they are a better fucking computer. PCs may be cheaper, but for longevity and quality, a Mac will give you much more. Especially in the career of design, audio, or video.</blockquote> Jeez these quotes are getting long. Anyway, by that logic, your car should just come with permanent free gas that puts itself into your tank when necessary and services itself regularly. It's a nice concept, but most things in this world just don't work like that. So as you said, let me put this into perspective for you. A Cadillac is a damn nice looking car with a hefty price tag...but it's a bit of a P.O.S. under the hood and typically won't last you more than 5-6 years. If something DOES go wrong with it, it's going to be quite expensive to fix as well. The Mac may have it's software under control, but that doesn't mean that its hardware is any better than the PC. Just as a side note as well...I've stayed at Marriot's for under $100 a night that were nicer than some $300 hotels. Price and name brand isn't the whole game. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:11:37-04:00 2406411 12825 2009-09-10T05:13:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. I don't see how you can call PC's (or agree with calling Pc's) a "dying platform" when they still to this day control over 90% of the market while the Mac has been "trendy" for quite some time now. A high price tag in conjunction with a clever ad campaign does not yield a great product by default.</blockquote> Yeah, I'm sure only 10% of the market is paying for those "cute" commercials... You need to look no further than numbers released by NPD to understand Apple’s dominance. Its revenue share of the “premium” price market — that is, computers over $1,000 — is a staggering 91%. This means that 9 out of every 10 retail dollars that is spent on PCs in that price range, goes to Apple. 90% my ass.</blockquote> Well when 10% of the people are paying upwards of $2-3,000 for their computers, while the other %90 is paying typically between $500-$900 on their computers...,then yes, I believe they are paying for those commercials with ease. Two guys in a white room with a pseudo-clever script? Yeah, that must be enormously expensive... However, what I though was common knowledge at this point was that Apple's revenue largely comes by way of their iPods...so their revenue stream to produce those said commercials should not be looked at merely in terms of their computer sales. But by the way...when a company ad campaign consists almost solely of disparaging other corporations, chances are that company isn't that great to start with.</blockquote> Yeah, those gay "I'm a PC" commercials don't take any stabs at Apple. They are saints when it comes to disparaging other corporations. This is besides the point though. Commercials and advertising of said companies is not the issue here. I'm not sure about you, but I design for a living, and I need a computer that can handle strenuous use every day from multiple programs and huge file sizes. I'm sure a PC would be great for my little sister or grandma, but that shit just doesn't cut it in my line of work, and in that instance the extra cash I paid for my computer doesn't matter. For 6 years of flawless use, I have more than compensated for the price of my computer. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:13:28-04:00 2406431 2141 2009-09-10T05:13:28-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. </blockquote> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite>You complain about the virus aspect of owning a PC...download one of the many free virus protection programs out there that DO work extremely well and have it installed within 2 minutes and you never have to worry about it again. So for that 2 minutes of downloading AVG or any other decent enough virus program...you would rather spend an additional $2000 on a machine? Your choice, but doesn't make sense to me.</blockquote> You buy a Mac and it comes with a one button mouse. You want right click functionality, you go get a two button mouse or you go on living without one. Minor inconvenience. You buy a PC, you MUST install virus software. It's not even an option, Window's would cripple in a heartbeat without said virus protection. Not such a minor inconvenience. Again, why isn't protection from such things built into Windows? You talk a lot about the Mac just being all flash and it being trendy. However, at it's core - at its most default and stock core (i.e. no need to hop online and download freeware before you can do anything) - it's a much more secure device. Take away the flash and your left with a secure device. At the core of your windows machine, without the help of 3rd party software, you're computer would be gone in a flash. Go ahead, try and run your computer without virus protection for a month and lets see how long it lasts. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:16:29-04:00 2406461 7038 2009-09-10T05:16:29-04:00 For the record, those "I'm a PC" commercials are childish as well. However, they did come out after a quite substantial amount of time of Mac doing it first. I design full time as well, and I get by perfectly fine on my HP. I've never had a crash, never had rendering problems on files even up to nearly a GB in size. I typically have PS, FL, DW, Firefox, AIM and iTunes open all day my computer. Like I said...get yourself a decent graphics card (or buy a computer with a good one installed as I did) and you will be fine. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:17:54-04:00 2406481 12825 2009-09-10T05:17:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> I shouldn't have to download anything to make sure my machine runs properly after I buy it. Why on earth would that shit not be available to me right out of the package? Not everyone is computer savvy as you and I, and if they go too long on a PC without downloading some bullshit program that is not needed on a Mac but IS absolutely crucial for the life of your PC, then their computer is fucked. Let's put it into perspective. You pay for a suite in a hotel, you get what you pay for. You pay for HD over standard definition, because you want better quality. You pay for Gatorade over Power Aid because it taste better. You pay for Chili's over McDonald's because their burgers are real... You pay for Macs over a PC because they are a better fucking computer. PCs may be cheaper, but for longevity and quality, a Mac will give you much more. Especially in the career of design, audio, or video.</blockquote> Jeez these quotes are getting long. Anyway, by that logic, your car should just come with permanent free gas that puts itself into your tank when necessary and services itself regularly. It's a nice concept, but most things in this world just don't work like that. So as you said, let me put this into perspective for you. A Cadillac is a damn nice looking car with a hefty price tag...but it's a bit of a P.O.S. under the hood and typically won't last you more than 5-6 years. If something DOES go wrong with it, it's going to be quite expensive to fix as well. The Mac may have it's software under control, but that doesn't mean that its hardware is any better than the PC. Just as a side note as well...I've stayed at Marriot's for under $100 a night that were nicer than some $300 hotels. Price and name brand isn't the whole game.</blockquote> As much as you may think I am a Mac "fan boy" which I may be considering I prefer Mac over PC. I have worked on both platforms for many years. It is solely the quality of the experience I gain from a Mac that decides my decision to defend it so avidly. Not their marketing tactics or it's popularity. If you were to propose to me that a Cadillac would be problem free and run perfectly smooth for 6-7 years without any problems, then that would seem like a pretty kick ass deal to me. But if you were to propose that an ugly fuck mini van would cost me half the price and I would have to continually get it checked out and up to par CONSTANTLY. Then I would certainly take the more attractive and stable car. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:20:04-04:00 2406511 2141 2009-09-10T05:20:04-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> But by the way...when a company ad campaign consists almost solely of disparaging other corporations, chances are that company isn't that great to start with.</blockquote> When that company, Apple, started the personal computer revolution, they must be great to start with. Remember, prior to the Mac OS, PC's consisted of command line interfaces. Mac's brought the graphical user interface to the masses. And for that, you should be appreciative. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:21:01-04:00 2406521 7038 2009-09-10T05:21:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> For the record, those "I'm a PC" commercials are childish as well. However, they did come out after a quite substantial amount of time of Mac doing it first. I design full time as well, and I get by perfectly fine on my HP. I've never had a crash, never had rendering problems on files even up to nearly a GB in size. I typically have PS, FL, DW, Firefox, AIM and iTunes open all day my computer. Like I said...get yourself a decent graphics card (or buy a computer with a good one installed as I did) and you will be fine.</blockquote> Run that HP without virus protection with or without a decent graphics card and it'll be a different story. Why can't Windows protect you from that stuff out of the box? 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:23:21-04:00 2406541 7038 2009-09-10T05:23:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite>You buy a Mac and it comes with a one button mouse. You want right click functionality, you go get a two button mouse or you go on living without one. Minor inconvenience. You buy a PC, you MUST install virus software. It's not even an option, Window's would cripple in a heartbeat without said virus protection. Not such a minor inconvenience. Again, why isn't protection from such things built into Windows? You talk a lot about the Mac just being all flash and it being trendy. However, at it's core - at its most default and stock core (i.e. no need to hop online and download freeware before you can do anything) - it's a much more secure device. Take away the flash and your left with a secure device. At the core of your windows machine, without the help of 3rd party software, you're computer would be gone in a flash. Go ahead, try and run your computer without virus protection for a month and lets see how long it lasts.</blockquote> I'll even go one further for you...try operating a PC for less than a week without virus protection and see what happens. Of course it will get a virus...of course it will, it's a very well known fact that it will. I'm not arguing now, nor have I been, that the Mac's "standard safety" is inferior...just the computing power for the price. Find yourself a $3000 Alienware computer and I bet it will crush any $3000 Mac you can find. However, back on the right click thing again...I would rather download the free virus protection than physically have to leave my home and purchase a $30 piece of equipment for such a simple task as right clicking. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:23:53-04:00 2406561 12825 2009-09-10T05:23:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite>You buy a Mac and it comes with a one button mouse. You want right click functionality, you go get a two button mouse or you go on living without one. Minor inconvenience. You buy a PC, you MUST install virus software. It's not even an option, Window's would cripple in a heartbeat without said virus protection. Not such a minor inconvenience. Again, why isn't protection from such things built into Windows? You talk a lot about the Mac just being all flash and it being trendy. However, at it's core - at its most default and stock core (i.e. no need to hop online and download freeware before you can do anything) - it's a much more secure device. Take away the flash and your left with a secure device. At the core of your windows machine, without the help of 3rd party software, you're computer would be gone in a flash. Go ahead, try and run your computer without virus protection for a month and lets see how long it lasts.</blockquote> I'll even go one further for you...try operating a PC for less than a week without virus protection and see what happens. Of course it will get a virus...of course it will, it's a very well known fact that it will. I'm not arguing now, nor have I been, that the Mac's "standard safety" is inferior...just the computing power for the price. Find yourself a $3000 Alienware computer and I bet it will crush any $3000 Mac you can find. However, back on the right click thing again...I would rather download the free virus protection than physically have to leave my home and purchase a $30 piece of equipment for such a simple task as right clicking.</blockquote> I didn't think it needed to be said, but all Mac towers come with a mouse that is capable of right clicking now. Along with a vertical and horizontal scroll ball, but then again, what a silly thing to argue about. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:28:33-04:00 2406641 2141 2009-09-10T05:31:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> For the record, those "I'm a PC" commercials are childish as well. However, they did come out after a quite substantial amount of time of Mac doing it first. I design full time as well, and I get by perfectly fine on my HP. I've never had a crash, never had rendering problems on files even up to nearly a GB in size. I typically have PS, FL, DW, Firefox, AIM and iTunes open all day my computer. Like I said...get yourself a decent graphics card (or buy a computer with a good one installed as I did) and you will be fine.</blockquote> Run that HP without virus protection with or without a decent graphics card and it'll be a different story. Why can't Windows protect you from that stuff out of the box?</blockquote> Have you not read any of my argument? Almost every one of my posts says something about needing virus protection. And also, as I've been saying...you are trading approximately 2 minutes of download time for virus protection for a $2,000 price tag increase. Also, why would you ever buy a computer with a shitty graphics card anyway...are you arguing just to argue at this point? 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:28:48-04:00 2406651 12825 2009-09-10T05:28:48-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said: are you arguing just to argue at this point?</cite></blockquote> Aren't we all? No one's mind will be changed. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:33:02-04:00 2406691 2141 2009-09-10T05:34:26-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> I shouldn't have to download anything to make sure my machine runs properly after I buy it. Why on earth would that shit not be available to me right out of the package? Not everyone is computer savvy as you and I, and if they go too long on a PC without downloading some bullshit program that is not needed on a Mac but IS absolutely crucial for the life of your PC, then their computer is fucked. Let's put it into perspective. You pay for a suite in a hotel, you get what you pay for. You pay for HD over standard definition, because you want better quality. You pay for Gatorade over Power Aid because it taste better. You pay for Chili's over McDonald's because their burgers are real... You pay for Macs over a PC because they are a better fucking computer. PCs may be cheaper, but for longevity and quality, a Mac will give you much more. Especially in the career of design, audio, or video.</blockquote> Jeez these quotes are getting long. Anyway, by that logic, your car should just come with permanent free gas that puts itself into your tank when necessary and services itself regularly. It's a nice concept, but most things in this world just don't work like that. So as you said, let me put this into perspective for you. A Cadillac is a damn nice looking car with a hefty price tag...but it's a bit of a P.O.S. under the hood and typically won't last you more than 5-6 years. If something DOES go wrong with it, it's going to be quite expensive to fix as well. The Mac may have it's software under control, but that doesn't mean that its hardware is any better than the PC. Just as a side note as well...I've stayed at Marriot's for under $100 a night that were nicer than some $300 hotels. Price and name brand isn't the whole game.</blockquote> As much as you may think I am a Mac "fan boy" which I may be considering I prefer Mac over PC. I have worked on both platforms for many years. It is solely the quality of the experience I gain from a Mac that decides my decision to defend it so avidly. Not their marketing tactics or it's popularity. If you were to propose to me that a Cadillac would be problem free and run perfectly smooth for 6-7 years without any problems, then that would seem like a pretty kick ass deal to me. But if you were to propose that an ugly fuck mini van would cost me half the price and I would have to continually get it checked out and up to par CONSTANTLY. Then I would certainly take the more attractive and stable car.</blockquote> The Cadillac standpoint was designed around the idea that you can purchase a vehicle of similar or lesser value and have it run twice as long with the almost identical or greater performance. You can buy Corvettes/Chargers/Vipers/Jaguars/BMW's all for similar price tags or considerably less even and they will all outlast the Cadillac while still being superior in the sales department as well. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:35:06-04:00 2406721 12825 2009-09-10T05:35:31-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said: are you arguing just to argue at this point?</cite></blockquote> Aren't we all? No one's mind will be changed.</blockquote> Haha, fair enough...I just don't think having him quote you and use it as his argument is really a necessity. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:37:20-04:00 2406761 12825 2009-09-10T05:37:20-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> I shouldn't have to download anything to make sure my machine runs properly after I buy it. Why on earth would that shit not be available to me right out of the package? Not everyone is computer savvy as you and I, and if they go too long on a PC without downloading some bullshit program that is not needed on a Mac but IS absolutely crucial for the life of your PC, then their computer is fucked. Let's put it into perspective. You pay for a suite in a hotel, you get what you pay for. You pay for HD over standard definition, because you want better quality. You pay for Gatorade over Power Aid because it taste better. You pay for Chili's over McDonald's because their burgers are real... You pay for Macs over a PC because they are a better fucking computer. PCs may be cheaper, but for longevity and quality, a Mac will give you much more. Especially in the career of design, audio, or video.</blockquote> Jeez these quotes are getting long. Anyway, by that logic, your car should just come with permanent free gas that puts itself into your tank when necessary and services itself regularly. It's a nice concept, but most things in this world just don't work like that. So as you said, let me put this into perspective for you. A Cadillac is a damn nice looking car with a hefty price tag...but it's a bit of a P.O.S. under the hood and typically won't last you more than 5-6 years. If something DOES go wrong with it, it's going to be quite expensive to fix as well. The Mac may have it's software under control, but that doesn't mean that its hardware is any better than the PC. Just as a side note as well...I've stayed at Marriot's for under $100 a night that were nicer than some $300 hotels. Price and name brand isn't the whole game.</blockquote> As much as you may think I am a Mac "fan boy" which I may be considering I prefer Mac over PC. I have worked on both platforms for many years. It is solely the quality of the experience I gain from a Mac that decides my decision to defend it so avidly. Not their marketing tactics or it's popularity. If you were to propose to me that a Cadillac would be problem free and run perfectly smooth for 6-7 years without any problems, then that would seem like a pretty kick ass deal to me. But if you were to propose that an ugly fuck mini van would cost me half the price and I would have to continually get it checked out and up to par CONSTANTLY. Then I would certainly take the more attractive and stable car.</blockquote> The Cadillac standpoint was designed around the idea that you can purchase a vehicle of similar or lesser value and have it run twice as long with the almost identical or greater performance. You can buy Corvettes/Chargers/Vipers/Jaguars/BMW's all for similar price tags or considerably less even and they will all outlast the Cadillac while still being superior in the sales department as well.</blockquote> Whatever, metaphors are stupid. But have you worked extensively on both platforms? I have, and I prefer Mac after continuous use on both. If you have used a Mac for an extensive amount of time, what went wrong with it? What did you not like besides it being new and foreign to you? Just wondering. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:38:47-04:00 2406791 2141 2009-09-10T05:40:19-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite>You buy a Mac and it comes with a one button mouse. You want right click functionality, you go get a two button mouse or you go on living without one. Minor inconvenience. You buy a PC, you MUST install virus software. It's not even an option, Window's would cripple in a heartbeat without said virus protection. Not such a minor inconvenience. Again, why isn't protection from such things built into Windows? You talk a lot about the Mac just being all flash and it being trendy. However, at it's core - at its most default and stock core (i.e. no need to hop online and download freeware before you can do anything) - it's a much more secure device. Take away the flash and your left with a secure device. At the core of your windows machine, without the help of 3rd party software, you're computer would be gone in a flash. Go ahead, try and run your computer without virus protection for a month and lets see how long it lasts.</blockquote> I'll even go one further for you...try operating a PC for less than a week without virus protection and see what happens. Of course it will get a virus...of course it will, it's a very well known fact that it will. I'm not arguing now, nor have I been, that the Mac's "standard safety" is inferior...just the computing power for the price. Find yourself a $3000 Alienware computer and I bet it will crush any $3000 Mac you can find. However, back on the right click thing again...I would rather download the free virus protection than physically have to leave my home and purchase a $30 piece of equipment for such a simple task as right clicking.</blockquote> LOL, this is all getting a bit circular! But again, the $30 for the mouse is optional and non essential to the livelihood of a Mac. 3rd party virus software is a necessity to the livelihood of your PC. Doesn't it suck that the OS on your PC is dependent on 3rd party software just to survive? $3000 Alienware? Oh, you mean that souped up Dell computer. Again, as I mentioned at the top of this thread: I'd go with a stock Lexus over a souped up Kia any day. In this case, that overpriced Dell (i.e. said Alienware computer) is the Kia and the Mac is the Lexus. Let's not forget the for the premium you pay for the Mac, you get 1. amazing design, 2. a stable OS out of the box that isn't reliant on 3rd party software for its survival, and 3. an OS packed with amazing and intelligent software that simply works. At the end of the day, the consumer decides whether they want to pay extra for superior design, stability and ease of use. If you like and enjoy your hardware superior device running Windows then more power to you. I, on the other hand, am more than happy to pay a premium for piece of mind. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:39:28-04:00 2406841 7038 2009-09-10T05:39:28-04:00 Dilly Cakes and MainframeMedia, you both made my night that much more interesting! You both are awesome no matter what platform you use. Peace out - I'm gonna 1. step away from said beloved Mac, 2. eat a chocolate chip cookie, and 3. get my daily P90X thing out of the way! Cheers to both of you! Imagine how much more fun this would have been with beer! 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:42:27-04:00 2406901 7038 2009-09-10T05:42:27-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> Dilly Cakes and MainframeMedia, you both made my night that much more interesting! You both are awesome no matter what platform you use. Peace out - I'm gonna 1. step away from said beloved Mac, 2. eat a chocolate chip cookie, and 3. get my daily P90X thing out of the way! Cheers to both of you! Imagine how much more fun this would have been with beer!</blockquote> Who said there wasn't beer? I need another. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:47:38-04:00 2406981 2141 2009-09-10T05:48:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite>Whatever, metaphors are stupid. But have you worked extensively on both platforms? I have, and I prefer Mac after continuous use on both. If you have used a Mac for an extensive amount of time, what went wrong with it? What did you not like besides it being new and foreign to you? Just wondering.</blockquote> I worked for about 6 months on a Mac, and was completely used to it within a week. It displayed everything nicely enough, ran smoothly and had a bunch of cute little functions, but that didn't make up for the HDD failure and the battery that always overheated within 30 minutes time after only 4 months of use. It was just a poorly built product in my experience. I received a new computer from the school (identical model) and had similar battery issues this time only about 2 months in. I've also had SIX iPods within 4 years...and I use them maybe twice a week. Sure the warranty gives you a free one every time...but it doesn't bode too well for your company when you product is constantly breaking. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:47:41-04:00 2406991 12825 2009-09-10T05:49:10-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> Dilly Cakes and MainframeMedia, you both made my night that much more interesting! You both are awesome no matter what platform you use. Peace out - I'm gonna 1. step away from said beloved Mac, 2. eat a chocolate chip cookie, and 3. get my daily P90X thing out of the way! Cheers to both of you! Imagine how much more fun this would have been with beer!</blockquote> Later man! You keep reppin' Mac, I'll keep reppin' PC, haha. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:52:52-04:00 2407071 12825 2009-09-10T05:52:52-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>I AM SCUMBAG said:</cite> <br><b> 1: my Dell i know how to fix everything on it, i can run anything i want... SURE it takes it a seccond to render high res images, but come on. macs have that stupid circle that comes up... also i like my right click.</b> <br> <br><b> 2: granted vista gets confused a lot, its still given me no problems because if it DOES, i save everything to my external anyway so if anything fucks up, 3 hours to fix with a reinstall of the OS, and if i get ENTIRELY pissed i can just install XP.</b> vv</blockquote> First of all, ..........................han a year without any sort of defensive actions that must take place to salvage your work place.</blockquote> woaaaaah easy killer. lol. yeah some macs work great. but some dont. its the way the world works. its just hard as hell for to fix the laptops and the all in one screen macs. the g5's hare alright because you can open them up and fix shit yourself too. i stand corrected. G5 macs... your alright. :D mac book air. i am so terrified i'll accidentally break you if i place my hands on you to type... there should be a limit to how thin something can be. lol stop whining and go back to your support group. they need people like you to defend their church. hahaa 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:52:57-04:00 2407081 10321 2009-09-10T05:58:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>I AM SCUMBAG said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>I AM SCUMBAG said:</cite> <br><b> 1: my Dell i know how to fix everything on it, i can run anything i want... SURE it takes it a seccond to render high res images, but come on. macs have that stupid circle that comes up... also i like my right click.</b> <br> <br><b> 2: granted vista gets confused a lot, its still given me no problems because if it DOES, i save everything to my external anyway so if anything fucks up, 3 hours to fix with a reinstall of the OS, and if i get ENTIRELY pissed i can just install XP.</b> vv</blockquote> First of all, ..........................han a year without any sort of defensive actions that must take place to salvage your work place.</blockquote> woaaaaah easy killer. lol. yeah some macs work great. but some dont. its the way the world works. its just hard as hell for hte laptops and the all in one screen macs. the g5's are alright because you can open them up and fix shit yourself too.</blockquote> I'm not a killer, I'm a lover...and my Mac works great, hence my passion. I only speak from personal experience dudes. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T05:55:01-04:00 2407111 2141 2009-09-10T05:55:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>I AM SCUMBAG said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>I AM SCUMBAG said:</cite> <br><b> 1: my Dell i know how to fix everything on it, i can run anything i want... SURE it takes it a seccond to render high res images, but come on. macs have that stupid circle that comes up... also i like my right click.</b> <br> <br><b> 2: granted vista gets confused a lot, its still given me no problems because if it DOES, i save everything to my external anyway so if anything fucks up, 3 hours to fix with a reinstall of the OS, and if i get ENTIRELY pissed i can just install XP.</b> vv</blockquote> First of all, ..........................han a year without any sort of defensive actions that must take place to salvage your work place.</blockquote> woaaaaah easy killer. lol. yeah some macs work great. but some dont. its the way the world works. its just hard as hell for hte laptops and the all in one screen macs. the g5's are alright because you can open them up and fix shit yourself too.</blockquote> I'm not a killer, I'm a lover...and my Mac works great, hence my passion. I only speak from personal experience dudes.</blockquote> hahaa, yeah i'm actually for both sides. i can use a mac and i know the key commands, in case i have to work for a company that only uses macs. or i know key commands for a pc too. they're pretty much the same. i'm just fucking with this thread man. and i know your a lover. thats why i love you. im only toying with you man. macs are just a tool to make art and surf the web. and do... well not much else. ::going back to play some pc games that dont require me to spend hours looking for ways to make it work:: 75301 Post 2009-09-10T06:02:32-04:00 2407161 10321 2009-09-10T06:02:32-04:00 I love my Mac. I have had no problems with it. Since using it, I am now much more comfortable using ctrl+click to do things rather than right clicking. It works much better than my PC. Applications run smoother and crash less. I have grown accustomed to using iTunes, which was probably my biggest hurdle, after for the last 5 years using Windows and Windows Media Player. I would not switch back to a Windows computer given the chance. I am completely comfortable and satisfied with my Mac, and none of your stories or "I paid less and I got more" claims are really affecting me, because the Mac that I have now is great. No, it was not cheap. Yes, I thought about it a lot. No, I did not buy it because "you have to buy one if you're a graphic designer, man!" I bought it because I felt after using one at school that it really handled the workload and type of work that I was doing a lot better than my PC. If your perspective on it is just "they're overpriced! it's the same fucking thing! i paid $XXX and i'm better than you! fuck!" then your claim really doesn't have much weight. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T06:45:18-04:00 2407491 3515 2009-09-10T06:45:18-04:00 i love the flat screen imacs like its no body's buisness when i used them at school, but i walked over one room to the fat little monitor apples and they crashed like left and right. my only fear is of the worst. im a nerd when it comes to understanding my pc. and i love knowing i can fix anything that might try to happen to it. its only human :D i'm SO unfamilliar with a mac that if it crashes, i'm stuck going to the damn mac store asking stupid questions looking like a retard. wasting my gas, and time. i can use both, and i think we should know how to use both... but at the exact same time... i hate it when mac users who say they are part of some sort of "Community" its a support group. its ok, we're here for you too :D i own a pc, i'd own a mac and use it for fun shit. i just stick to my pc mostly because i play vista games that were made for microsoft. and i can get it to run smoothly. also the fact that my mom paid for it for a birthday gift was a nice touch. if i paid the price for a mac, i'd convince myself every day that it was a great buy. its what i'm doing now. lol. pay for something you want it to work, and you thank god it didnt break down. hee hee. i've said my words of input, love you guys. time to go drive in a car for 8 hours going to ohio. hey email me if any of you cats live there we can hang out. i'll columbus for the weekend. <img src="http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp135/AndersonJew/randyjacksoncopy.jpg"> 75301 Post 2009-09-10T07:03:48-04:00 2407611 10321 2009-09-10T07:03:48-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. I don't see how you can call PC's (or agree with calling Pc's) a "dying platform" when they still to this day control over 90% of the market while the Mac has been "trendy" for quite some time now. A high price tag in conjunction with a clever ad campaign does not yield a great product by default.</blockquote> Yeah, I'm sure only 10% of the market is paying for those "cute" commercials... You need to look no further than numbers released by NPD to understand Apple’s dominance. Its revenue share of the “premium” price market — that is, computers over $1,000 — is a staggering 91%. This means that 9 out of every 10 retail dollars that is spent on PCs in that price range, goes to Apple. 90% my ass.</blockquote> Well when 10% of the people are paying upwards of $2-3,000 for their computers, while the other %90 is paying typically between $500-$900 on their computers...,then yes, I believe they are paying for those commercials with ease. Two guys in a white room with a pseudo-clever script? Yeah, that must be enormously expensive... However, what I though was common knowledge at this point was that Apple's revenue largely comes by way of their iPods...so their revenue stream to produce those said commercials should not be looked at merely in terms of their computer sales. But by the way...when a company ad campaign consists almost solely of disparaging other corporations, chances are that company isn't that great to start with.</blockquote> Yeah, those gay "I'm a PC" commercials don't take any stabs at Apple. They are saints when it comes to disparaging other corporations. This is besides the point though. Commercials and advertising of said companies is not the issue here. I'm not sure about you, but I design for a living, and I need a computer that can handle strenuous use every day from multiple programs and huge file sizes. I'm sure a PC would be great for my little sister or grandma, but that shit just doesn't cut it in my line of work, and in that instance the extra cash I paid for my computer doesn't matter. For 6 years of flawless use, I have more than compensated for the price of my computer.</blockquote> Yeah, no "respectable" designers would be caught dead on anything less than a Mac. </sarcasm> 75301 Post 2009-09-10T08:05:20-04:00 2407881 1661 2009-09-10T08:05:20-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. </blockquote> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite>You complain about the virus aspect of owning a PC...download one of the many free virus protection programs out there that DO work extremely well and have it installed within 2 minutes and you never have to worry about it again. So for that 2 minutes of downloading AVG or any other decent enough virus program...you would rather spend an additional $2000 on a machine? Your choice, but doesn't make sense to me.</blockquote> You buy a Mac and it comes with a one button mouse. You want right click functionality, you go get a two button mouse or you go on living without one. Minor inconvenience. You buy a PC, you MUST install virus software. It's not even an option, Window's would cripple in a heartbeat without said virus protection. Not such a minor inconvenience. Again, why isn't protection from such things built into Windows? You talk a lot about the Mac just being all flash and it being trendy. However, at it's core - at its most default and stock core (i.e. no need to hop online and download freeware before you can do anything) - it's a much more secure device. Take away the flash and your left with a secure device. At the core of your windows machine, without the help of 3rd party software, you're computer would be gone in a flash. Go ahead, try and run your computer without virus protection for a month and lets see how long it lasts.</blockquote> I never used any antivirus software on my old PCs and I never had any viruses. Weird.... 75301 Post 2009-09-10T08:06:54-04:00 2407911 1661 2009-09-10T08:06:54-04:00 For the record: proprietary hardware/software ≠ superior hardware/software 75301 Post 2009-09-10T08:10:13-04:00 2407951 1661 2009-09-10T08:10:13-04:00 I've sold PCs and Macs for years now where I work, and this argument comes down to one thing: Macs and PCs both have problems. Hardware breaks on both and both OSs crash. Also, 99% of the time when software crashes it is the users fault. Personally, I've used both and found Windows to be better for me. The only problems I have are hardware issues and with a PC I can fix it myself without too much cost, which in most cases means i get to upgrade something at the same time. PS. Windows 7 is amazing... 75301 Post 2009-09-10T10:59:00-04:00 2409711 24881 2009-09-10T10:59:00-04:00 Pulling the trigger on a Hackintosh build. Just a hair over $1K and it has way better features than a $3500 Mac Pro. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T11:02:42-04:00 2409741 1661 2009-09-10T11:02:42-04:00 Oh, and macs do get viruses.. just not often. But it is NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE SECURE. There are just very few viruses made to target macs. Think about it... if your making a virus for whatever reason.. are you ganna make one that attacks PCs, which 85% of people buy, or macs which 15% of people buy? 75301 Post 2009-09-10T11:07:16-04:00 2409811 24881 2009-09-10T11:07:16-04:00 For all the mac fans saying "why doesnt windows protect you out of the box "etc <img src="http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6666/hmmi.png" /> Moot point, they do. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T11:07:34-04:00 2409821 5999 2009-09-10T11:07:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>The Comedian said:</cite> For all the mac fans saying "why doesnt windows protect you out of the box "etc <img src="http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6666/hmmi.png" /> Moot point, they do.</blockquote> yup 75301 Post 2009-09-10T11:11:58-04:00 2409881 1661 2009-09-10T11:11:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> Pulling the trigger on a Hackintosh build. Just a hair over $1K and it has way better features than a $3500 Mac Pro.</blockquote> I'd like to know how that works out for you. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T11:20:19-04:00 2409951 24881 2009-09-10T11:20:19-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. </blockquote> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite>You complain about the virus aspect of owning a PC...download one of the many free virus protection programs out there that DO work extremely well and have it installed within 2 minutes and you never have to worry about it again. So for that 2 minutes of downloading AVG or any other decent enough virus program...you would rather spend an additional $2000 on a machine? Your choice, but doesn't make sense to me.</blockquote> You buy a Mac and it comes with a one button mouse. You want right click functionality, you go get a two button mouse or you go on living without one. Minor inconvenience. You buy a PC, you MUST install virus software. It's not even an option, Window's would cripple in a heartbeat without said virus protection. Not such a minor inconvenience. Again, why isn't protection from such things built into Windows? You talk a lot about the Mac just being all flash and it being trendy. However, at it's core - at its most default and stock core (i.e. no need to hop online and download freeware before you can do anything) - it's a much more secure device. Take away the flash and your left with a secure device. At the core of your windows machine, without the help of 3rd party software, you're computer would be gone in a flash. Go ahead, try and run your computer without virus protection for a month and lets see how long it lasts.</blockquote> I never used any antivirus software on my old PCs and I never had any viruses. Weird....</blockquote> yeah i havent run an antivirus prog in years, and i've never had an issue. i dont click things i prob shouldnt, it's a done deal. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T11:40:52-04:00 2410251 5570 2009-09-10T11:40:52-04:00 <blockquote><cite>xjoshuabelangerx said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Coty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Dilly Cakes said:</cite> Right click is for people who don't know key commands...</blockquote> Or because right clicking is typically just as easy if not easier for some applications? Why hold down Command+Click when you could just right click? Maybe I would rather just right click twice then hit ctrl+c, ctrl+v for a copy and paste. Preference does not equal inability...and why are you seemingly fighting tooth and nail defending Mac anyway?</blockquote> Either way, it's a moot point because Apple Computer have right click functionality. You can right click to your hearts content on a Mac.</blockquote> Yes, with a 2 button mouse, which is not an included device with a Mac's contents at time of purchase. It's not a major issue, but it's just obnoxious. </blockquote> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite>You complain about the virus aspect of owning a PC...download one of the many free virus protection programs out there that DO work extremely well and have it installed within 2 minutes and you never have to worry about it again. So for that 2 minutes of downloading AVG or any other decent enough virus program...you would rather spend an additional $2000 on a machine? Your choice, but doesn't make sense to me.</blockquote> You buy a Mac and it comes with a one button mouse. You want right click functionality, you go get a two button mouse or you go on living without one. Minor inconvenience. You buy a PC, you MUST install virus software. It's not even an option, Window's would cripple in a heartbeat without said virus protection. Not such a minor inconvenience. Again, why isn't protection from such things built into Windows? You talk a lot about the Mac just being all flash and it being trendy. However, at it's core - at its most default and stock core (i.e. no need to hop online and download freeware before you can do anything) - it's a much more secure device. Take away the flash and your left with a secure device. At the core of your windows machine, without the help of 3rd party software, you're computer would be gone in a flash. Go ahead, try and run your computer without virus protection for a month and lets see how long it lasts.</blockquote> I never used any antivirus software on my old PCs and I never had any viruses. Weird....</blockquote> yeah i havent run an antivirus prog in years, and i've never had an issue. i dont click things i prob shouldnt, it's a done deal.</blockquote> Yep. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T11:56:10-04:00 2410331 1661 2009-09-10T11:56:10-04:00 <blockquote><cite>alexb said:</cite> I've sold PCs and Macs for years now where I work, and this argument comes down to one thing: Macs and PCs both have problems. Hardware breaks on both and both OSs crash. Also, 99% of the time when software crashes it is the users fault. Personally, I've used both and found Windows to be better for me. The only problems I have are hardware issues and with a PC I can fix it myself without too much cost, which in most cases means i get to upgrade something at the same time. PS. Windows 7 is amazing...</blockquote> I agree. The bottom line is that everything has built in obsolescence and Apple has perfected this business model. Whether Mac or PC you're gonna need to upgrade sooner or later. I'd rather spend $800 now and get a killer PC and not feel like I got ripped when I replace it in 2 or 3 years. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T12:00:42-04:00 2410381 61641 2009-09-10T12:00:42-04:00 I DON'T COMPUTE ON FRUIT! (also, didn't read thread lol) 75301 Post 2009-09-10T12:05:24-04:00 2410441 11937 2009-09-10T12:05:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>alexb said:</cite> Oh, and macs do get viruses.. just not often. But it is NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE SECURE. There are just very few viruses made to target macs. Think about it... if your making a virus for whatever reason.. are you ganna make one that attacks PCs, which 85% of people buy, or macs which 15% of people buy?</blockquote> yeah my boss keeps saying soon hackers will develop even more viruses for Mac then the apple users will be in the same boat as PC (virus wise) trying to decide between and Alienware PC and a Mac Book pro heard Mac doesn't run Corel though (yes I 'm a Corel user!) so that's a big minus :( 75301 Post 2009-09-10T12:23:33-04:00 2410751 8199 2009-09-10T12:23:33-04:00 geoff, seems like its the genius' fault. what you're dealing with is bad customer relations, if they had fixed everything up for you then i'm pretty sure you'd be happy. but unfortunately he is treating you like shit so it looks like apple are losing a valued customer. i wish you'd had a better experience. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T12:36:02-04:00 2411031 3911 2009-09-10T12:36:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>dougie said:</cite> geoff, seems like its the genius' fault. what you're dealing with is bad customer relations, if they had fixed everything up for you then i'm pretty sure you'd be happy. but unfortunately he is treating you like shit so it looks like apple are losing a valued customer. i wish you'd had a better experience.</blockquote> That's definitely a big part of it. The thing is, Macs are far too expensive to give them a second chance to get burned again. I talked to the store manager today and explained what went down. She apologized, which is nice, but that's all that happened. It only takes one time of bad service to turn me off. I can just build my own PC and not worry about any support and save a ton of money. I thought the hefty Apple pricetag included top notch customer service. That doesn't seem to be the case, unfortunately. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T12:45:59-04:00 2411161 1661 2009-09-10T12:45:59-04:00 the world started with an apple and will end with an apple. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T12:49:45-04:00 2411221 63421 2009-09-10T12:49:45-04:00 <blockquote><cite>originalbros said:</cite> the world started with an apple and will end with an apple.</blockquote> but in the bible, the apple was over hyped and not worth getting, look what THAT ruined ;) 75301 Post 2009-09-10T12:53:27-04:00 2411231 5999 2009-09-10T12:58:23-04:00 <img src="http://www.molblog.nl/images/uploads/computer_says_no.jpg" /> 75301 Post 2009-09-10T12:54:14-04:00 2411261 4551 2009-09-10T12:54:14-04:00 <blockquote><cite>The Comedian said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>originalbros said:</cite> the world started with an apple and will end with an apple.</blockquote> but in the bible, the apple was over hyped and not worth getting, look what THAT ruined ;)</blockquote> omg SLAM! haha I love this thread, and what Dobi said.. Mac is fancy, thats all. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T13:27:56-04:00 2411741 1864 2009-09-10T13:27:56-04:00 for the record i didnt mean to imply that macs are immune to virus, i have just had a great time with it so far and love not having norton taking up half my memory and flashing things every two seconds. i still have a virus sweeper on my computer, i just run it once every few months for good times. and, that apple bible slam was very nice but without that apple apparently they never would have gotten it on so id say more praise to the apple. regardless, its a bunch of malarkey 75301 Post 2009-09-10T13:38:06-04:00 2411811 1271 2009-09-10T13:38:06-04:00 <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/American_Flag.jpg" /> 75301 Post 2009-09-10T14:29:42-04:00 2412391 1106 2009-09-10T14:29:42-04:00 Ive had my PC laptop about 2 years, 3 complete crashes, but ultimately easily fixed. Yes ive lost stuff, but i dont do design work, etc so its not a massive problem. I could never justify the cost of a Mac, ever. 75301 Post 2009-09-10T18:19:36-04:00 2416321 10852 2009-09-10T18:19:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/American_Flag.jpg" /></blockquote> Ah the blue screen of death. Funny thing is, I've had one of those in my life. My Mac crashes way more for absolutely no reason sometimes. At any rate, I bitched to the Apple store manager about the doucher I talked to one the phone. She expedited the process and my logic board was installed last night. Gotta go pick it up today. I actually ended up talking to the idiot on the phone and upon speaking in person I realize he's just dumb. He was probably just rude unintentionally. I asked him a question and he just stared at me blankly and kinda half laughed. I had to actually say "hello" to get him to snap out of it. Weird and uncomfortable situation. 75301 Post 2009-09-11T08:25:22-04:00 2425421 1661 2009-09-11T08:25:22-04:00