UPDATE.
Want to Win a Easy $100?
To encourage you to vote, and help me win, I am offering 10 random people $100 to vote and comment on my design, IF I WIN.
Read carefully.... IF I WIN.
See http://www.jimiyo.com for FULL DETAILS.
For promotional purposes, Im having a drawing. You know what I want votes for...
Votes have been reset for the final round, so if you voted last week, you can vote again.
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/24809
If you go VOTE and COMMENT, you will be put in a drawing for 3 original sketches on 11x14 paper. One person will get all three.
I know I’m not famous so it might not be worth anything to anyone, but you can write your grocery list on it, and it will be the most awesome grocery list ever. You can burn it if you want, all combined they represent many hours of my life. An excellent allegory of the meaninglessness of art and life it would be...
118 Comments
ithew said 2 months ago
i’ve already done both of these!!!
collisiontheory said 2 months ago
marketing genius jimiyo!! you’re probably gonna surge back to the top again. hehe
jimiyo said 2 months ago
naw.
i have a feeling CT. its going to be you. you srsly have some massive attacks with voting. im just doing the best i can, although it will be an exercise in futility. maybe the DBH guys will see i tried and throw me a bone and print some of my other 10-12 shirts still waiting in voting. HA.
its actually been a great lesson in marketing. guerilla marketing. balls out dont give a crap if im perceived as a spammer marketing.
now if i can apply these techniques to getting laid... i might be on to something.
jumpy said 2 months ago
i want that drawing!! ive already voted 4 this, and i really hope u win Jimiyo, I did vote 4 CT also, but your animals are my fav :P
(edit: ohh i have to vote again)
quakerninja said 2 months ago
artfuck dot com
Knappnoise said 2 months ago
Insane sketches, they have a James Jean feel to them that i really dig
heavyprints said 2 months ago
I had already voted, but I commented cuz I’d punch an orphan for a Jimiyo pencil sketch.
collisiontheory said 2 months ago
Dude I dunno man there’s still almost a whole week for voting and it’s anyone’s game. I’m just trying to get votes wherever I can.
I agree about the marketing thing. I’ve been thinking about where to get votes for the past week or so. Believe me I’ve searched far and wide and I’m not sure if those techniques I employed are working or if it’s just the DBH database that’s voting for me. I did have some a few countrymen votes today so that helps a little too.
About getting laid, in marketing terms:
What is Meant by "Marketing"?
You see a gorgeous girl at a party. You go up to her and say, "I’m fantastic in bed." That’s Direct Marketing.
You’re at a party with a bunch of friends and see a gorgeous girl. One of your friends goes up to her and pointing at you says, "He’s fantastic in bed." That’s Advertising.
You see a gorgeous girl at a party. You go up to her and get her telephone number. The next day you call and say," Hi, I’m fantastic in bed." That’s Telemarketing.
You’re at a party and see a handsome man. You get up and straighten your dress. You walk up to him and pour him a drink. You say, "May I," And reach up to straighten his tie brushing your breast lightly against his arm, and
then say, "By the way, I’m fantastic in bed." That’s Public Relations.
You’re at a party and see a gorgeous girl. She walks up to you and says, "I hear you’re fantastic in bed." That’s Brand Recognition.
You’re at a party and see a gorgeous girl. You talk her into going home with your friend. That’s a Sales Rep.
Your friend can’t satisfy her so he calls you. That’s Technical Service.
You’re on your way to a party when you realize that there could be gorgeous women in all the houses you’re passing. So you climb onto the roof of one situated in the middle and shout at the top of your voice, "I’m fantastic in bed!". That’s Spam.
You hear about women like this but never meet one. That’s False Advertising.
ez-kun said 2 months ago
same here. and kick him too:P
ez-kun said 2 months ago
i just love you for this post man. you made this rainy day a bit more fun! thanks!
Ameeee said 2 months ago
Jimi I want these sketches. You’re not going to make me print dodgy JPEGs are you? Damn, now if I legitimately win - it’ll look dodgy. Let’s avoid this situation :)
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
I want to frame all of these and hang them everywhere
EVERYWHERE
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
or I might just like... eat them. Try to ingest the talent and what not see how that goes
collisiontheory said 2 months ago
Look jimiyo, your "techniques" are working on the women already. haha
heavyprints said 2 months ago
Viral marketing.
quakerninja said 2 months ago
I can’t compete with a natural vagina. Game over man.
Ameeee said 2 months ago
I’d probably show some of my techniques for those drawings.
I even changed my Facebook status.
"Amy would consider selling herself for the original Jimiyo sketches."
jimiyo said 2 months ago
Original Jimiyo Sketch wouldnt really cost much Ameee. I think you could prolly raise the funds by just accidentally brushing your boob on somebodys arm. I would say that would be a fair enough.
To Anyone:
Do you think people would buy my sketches? I mean, they are just sketches, just on regular cheap paper, nothing like bristol board or anything. And how much?
Randomentity said 2 months ago
i would masturbate in public in front of an old woman for that Lust for Life sketch.
like, i’d give you 50$ right now for it. you have other sketches to give away right?
ez-kun said 2 months ago
NO! who would buy that? lol
actually, it would be so kickass if you did an auction-type thingy, with bidding and stuff.
also, if you make tons of money because of my idea, i get a cut, okay??:)
jimiyo said 2 months ago
no crap $50?!? that’s a nice price for something i thought didnt have much value. i cant sell that one, that will be given to whoever wins the vote/comment scheme. so if you havent already, go vote and comment. :P
HA on public masturbation. Always funny...
i’ll have a pretty tight drawing of Samus/Metroid someday... http://www.jimiyo.com/2008/metroidmucha.jpg gonna do Samus in Mucha stylings. long term project though, who knows when i will finish.
quakerninja said 2 months ago
It’s a Jimiyo Original. Sketches are an artform in there own right, You could go way high. Un like tees there can be only one, people will pay oodles for the bragging rights behind owning an original anything. If you are serious, get an appraiser to give you a freebie.
You could make a killing dude.
Killer Napkins said 2 months ago
i think you could make some good money off of them. Though I also think it is based on how popular as an artist you are because I have seen simple sketches from some people like Chet Zar go for a couple hundred on EBAY... lol I am trying the ebay thing too with a sketch... not working so well... but your sketches are like friggin awesome.... would be even better on bristol board..... I also notice people would buy things like comic characters or well know characters, like the SAmus you said you had . ...
anyhoo good luck man... those look great!
Robmcbride said 2 months ago
Napkins, link me to your ebay stuff.
Killer Napkins said 2 months ago
sorry for the thread hijack... not intentional http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320299128700
jimiyo said 2 months ago
no worries. keep its bumped for maximum exposure dawg!
quakerninja said 2 months ago
Ameeee said 2 months ago
Yeah if I had money or there was something that I just had to have I’d bid/pay for sure.
Robmcbride said 2 months ago
I’d love to be that rod.
People, don’t sleep on the Jimi, yo'
downrodeo said 2 months ago
voted... actually, I did that when it came in yesterday.
Kevin Doom said 2 months ago
That fucking rules!
jimiyo said 2 months ago
ANTE UP
RustyEight said 2 months ago
I’m doing it, been voting anyway.
Lazyeye said 2 months ago
ok, so the inkwash on there doesnt count.
Lazyeye said 2 months ago
wait, i need three.. damn.
ez-kun said 2 months ago
Ameeee said 2 months ago
I don’t want your money honey, I want your..
SKETCHES!!!
ez-kun said 2 months ago
who doesn’t? well, you got boobs, that’s gotta worth something, haha.
please don’t hate me girls. i’m drunk.
jimiyo said 2 months ago
hehe. i know. i appreciate those of you that appreciate my art and efforts.
now im trying to capture the votes of those that dont care about me, and need some other incentive to vote.
Ramvere said 2 months ago
Looks like I am your man! haha jk. I voted, but like everyone else its all about the sketches. You’re a badass artist what can I say, I came out of lurking for this.
quakerninja said 2 months ago
Would you like some Hot Chocolate.
heavyprints said 2 months ago
Stop hiding from me on AIM, or I’m withholding sex.
image620 said 2 months ago
you’ve had my vote from the start. I really hope you win with all the effort you are and already have put into this contest.
jimiyo said 2 months ago
sure man. just delete your post so i dont know you did. heheh
CT deserves votes too. He is a friend, and a great artist.
but now... this is business. this... is... busssiiinesssparrrrrrrtttaaa.
i doubt it will work.. but who knows.
it was this or fricking buy a $2000 ad on some high traffic website, but i wasnt about to risk dollars on possibly ineffective ads.
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
... I am sure I am going to get shit for this but this totally devalues the art value of the competition. Now people are not only voting for their friends but voting for people in hopes that they themselves get a hundo out of it.
Not looking to start anything with anyone, just kinda made me sad to see this as a way of getting votes.
wotto said 2 months ago
i was kidding, but seriously i don’t think you need to do this. You should be pleased to make the final 5 and let people vote cos they love the art not cos there is a cash incentive.
Just my opinion.
FuzzyInk said 2 months ago
Totally agree with Killer Wombat and Wotto. Let people vote because they love your stuff not because they want your money.
ez-kun said 2 months ago
please don’t consider this shit> i think it’s a marketing strategy like any other. Gomedia has the blog/zine, other people get support from their countryman on the basis of patritism or something, so, the fact that he’s willing to offer something more for his voters is a good marketing strategy.
it’s a contest, unfortunately. fortunately, the finalists are really good and each deserve the money because they work hard for that purpose. i see it as a win win situation.
PS: i don’t want his money. i voted for him from the beginning, because i really like his art. but i think that it’s worth doing it, considering the prize. it’s an exercise in getting votes too. he needs it. he is a pro contest participant/winner. :)
kyleisez said 2 months ago
I think the art should be what leads to the victory. Not being the best car salesman
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
sure its a contest, but lets make it about the art and not who you know, or what your willing to give back. Sure its a great business strategy (and jimyo has that locked down) and that seems to be the way the world works now.
I guess I am just an idealist stuck in a mindset that you let the art sell itself... I belong in a different time where everything isn’t business driven. Back when people thought artists were crazy and they were actually starving.
heavyprints said 2 months ago
I can see where your coming from, but spending $1000 to make $10,000 just plain sounds like good business to me.
The fact that pepsi gives away millions of dollars to their fans/customers doesn’t devalue pepsi to me.(I just picked a random brand, same applies for alot of things)
It’s all a part of the game IMO. Jimiyo and CT both have followings, but it’s hard to compete with folks like the BRC who have loads of artists with followings. Quality of art aside, people will play favorites.
Definitely not trying to cause crap, just offering my viewpoint.
quakerninja said 2 months ago
10k is more than I make in a year, I say it’s balls to the wall anything goes.
Its part of a prize package for fan appreciation, I don’t see it as buying votes, and nothing is stopping CT from raising....huh? $100, 4 animal balloons, and a car wash.
jimiyo said 2 months ago
Art is Business.
I have done everything in my power to get the votes I can from the people who love my work by letting them know that I am in need of help.
Now that I have expended that resource, there is no other outlet beyond capturing the votes of those who would not otherwise.
Im not offended and Im sure others will certainly agree with your sentiment, but you know what...
Art... Just being good aint gonna make you successful.
As far as my work behind promoting myself... I worked my ass off, I shouldnt have to let all that work go to waste by not taking a chance and pursuing every avenue for success, excluding fraudulent tactics.
ez-kun said 2 months ago
with that i can agree wholeheartedly. yes, art should be the winner. but, put yourself in jimiyo’s position. wouldn’t you try as hard as you can?
wotto said 2 months ago
"Art... Just being good aint gonna make you successful."
sorry dude I disagree.
jimiyo said 2 months ago
This coming from one of the best car salesmen on the site!
:)
jimiyo said 2 months ago
This is a good Read.
wotto said 2 months ago
i read it and it’s patronising
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
Oh I totally know art is a business... trust me, I know. I am in the same field as all of you guys, haha. It just really devalues it more when you turn it into a prize war.
"I’ll vote for you because your going to give me this, where as if I vote for this guy he gets all the money and I get nothing... hmmm, I’ll vote for the guy who said he might give me a hundred bucks."
And yes, I know this will give you an edge and in a competition this big everyone could use all the edge they can get. But instead of just perpetuating the cycle on such a kick ass contest,10k dude! Thats a huge feat for this industry, why don’t you do your part to try and bring it back to what it should be about... the art.
(p.s. I hope your not mad at me! Haha, I am just really passionate about the fact that art should sell its self)
And I have to disagree with that. I know several artists that are quite successful just based of their talents.... and all the greats throughout history. You ever hear of those guys trying to sell themselves to get famous? Nope, they are usually the crazy bastards just off in their own world doing their thing.
jimiyo said 2 months ago
word. this is a good discussion.
discussion meaning there will be nothing changed at the end except time expended expounding on ideas.
art, in general needs an audience to thrive...not to exist.
basic theory is in the most simplest way i can explain it...
if a rapper dont go out there and battle and spit some knowledge on some fools and compete, he aint eva gonna be flossin the bowtie.
yeeeeAH... knaw mean?
he could be the baddest mother--- shut yo mouth.... in his bedroom by himself, but it dont mean nothing if he dont get some bees buzzin in some people ears yo.
word.
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
It is a good convo for sure, I like these ones.
yes art does need an audience but do you really want the audience that doesn’t know shit about it and comes to the shows for the free booze or the people that will truly understand the passion / message behind it. Sure it would be great to have a huge crowd of people admiring your work but to me 1 person truly moved by and art pieces is better than 100 people just nodding their head saying, "yes, I like the brush strokes"
But to stick with your rapper analogy, how much credit is he really bringing to the table if he is paying people to come watch him perform? Sure he may be amazing but to me that just bring fake enthusiasts to the show. If your work is good enough you will command the attention of those who matter in due time.
ez-kun said 2 months ago
you lost me at the third metaphor, lol. point being, you want to expand your bootie-flossin'
jimiyo said 2 months ago
wait, did he pay people to come watch him perform, or did he pay his nerdy friend who bought the crappy emachines at walmart with free printer that cost more than the usb cable to print up $1000 worth of flyers and promotionals so they would come see?
he spends the $1000 cause knowing that if he wins the rap battle, he can pay the studio $5000 to produce his master CD which then he can use to create more dope beats and rhymes to pimp to larger radio stations and labels...
now rapper dont front. he’s got rhymes. he practices every day.... Every daaaaaaaay! trying to live the dream yo, but he realizes to GET IN to the Vvvv IIIII pPPP, he needs more than skill to floss the Beamer, he needs Dr Dre. or Timbaland. to drop some prowess on his shiiiii yo. he needs to know people. to get to know people hes gotta be a winner.
(some one please find that hilarious youtube rap battle with the retarded guy... something about I deeeeiiiid it.. I deeeeiiid it.)
for real though. even the DBH emails to those of us in the finals specifically say
"We would encourage all of you to get out there and promote your design in any which way you can. Remember, the results of this contest are determined solely on popular vote."
Solely on popular vote. Solely on popular vote.
Doesnt matter if by virtue of only being one artist, I would most likely have less votes than a collective.
Or since I am older and no longer around a plethora of peers in a University that I do not have an expansive well of people from which I can solicit help.
Etc etc.
Im leveling the playing ground. And seriously, its a science experiment. It may or may not work. The data will be quite interesting.
All is fair in love and war and contests man and business.
image620 said 2 months ago
agree 100%. One could be the most talented artist in the world. However if the art stays in the sketchbooks who is gonna know about it?
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
I wouldn’t say leveling the playing field, your offering a side prize to people who vote for you... so now the incentive is not just the art, or who you know, but what the people voting might get out of it. It is much different. And I am probably the only person in the world that think not all is far in love, war, contests, or business. Be it that I am a dreamer or wish the world wasn’t run as much with a business mindset as it is... I just don’t agree.
True, if the art sits in the sketchbook it never gets seen but you don’t have to rope people in to see your work by saying "they might win something". There are so many other ways to get your art work out there for the world to see.
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
I understand what everyone’s saying and I originally thought the same thing... but how is it that different from when people do free tee promos with their online stores, etc
RustyEight said 2 months ago
I’m all for helping someone who has help us so much. Jimiyo has contributed so much to this community, and even to me personally, and if I can repay it and make a little money at the same time, then I’m gonna do it.
What comes around goes around.
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
haha, I am wasting so much time at work right now. I love it... dont tell my boss.
I am not sure which way you mean... a contest for a free shirt?
The reason this is different is because, well I have to pick a shirt company. I will go with heartcore cause I love that name. Its different for jimmy to offer a free shirt from heartcore because no one is technically competing to get that design created or paid for the art work. Its not something being voted on where there are several people waiting on the results. It is just a strait forward, if you like it you enter.
Where as the issue I have with jimyo’s promotion technique is that he is in a competition to get the product created. It is not already out there. So bribing people to vote for your design takes away from the validity of the contest... these people are no long voting or entering because they want the real winner to win, but because they themselves might have a chance to walk away with a prize as well.
Its basically like looking at it like this. I dont give a shirt about these five shirts... no care what so ever who wins (theoretical, I voted already) but 1-4 haven’t said they are going to give me anything if they win where as design number 5 said he might give me $100 if I vote for him. Seeing that it doesn’t matter to me at all who wins why not vote for the guy who said he might have me leave with some extra scratch in my pocket when the contest is over.
hyperhyphen said 2 months ago
I am pretty sure James Jean is an inspiration to this, he sales his sketches at outrageous prices and still none resists there for long. I am sure you can follow his steps.
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
Just because he has helped you does not mean he should win! Ughhhh... I cant even tell you how many emails I have had from people asking for help that I have helped out, even from emptees alone and I wouldn’t want anyone to vote for me just because I helped, I would want you to vote because you felt my design was best.
Blah...I feel like I am stressing the points of an uphill battle. And in no way am I saying you shouldn’t vote for him but everyone should vote for the best looking shirt instead of who they know or how is promising what. It being treated like who wants to be class president in 5th grade and who promised to "put soda in the drinking fountain"
... eh f*ck it, I guess I am just too much of an idealist. Hence how I am yet to really play around with too many contests.
hyperhyphen said 2 months ago
good point, but it is idelistic... I saw so many good designers not having this kind of support just because they are sitting in the shadow, these days all that matters is pushing the right buttons
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
Yeah. I meant to phrase it "it’s not that different," I completely understand where you’re coming from. But you know there is that quote I read at the ICA the other day on of of those little computers where people draw dicks. Like this:
8=======D ~
A true artist knows the self promotion. Or your art is only as good as your art in self promotion or whatever blahbalbalabl
Townsendcolon said 2 months ago
Im voting and commenting how do i know you randomly picking us for these mini prizes? LoL
jimiyo said 2 months ago
I wanted to relate my experiment to what DBH does.
1. For the potential of payout, artists create work for DBH. Essentially... speculative work.
2. If there is enough interest that DBH thinks there is potential to make money, they pay the artist, and then begin making money.
I... without any loss to myself... offer people the possibility of payout, except #2, I am guaranteed as well as the people to get payout.
Now you should really hate me, for selling my services out for minimal gain when I released those two art resources through GoMedia. Essentially, I was giving out my time, which I neglected a client for, to get pimped. It’s the same thing, but seemingly less sinister... but in actuality, I think much worse because of the actual quantifiable loss.
I also pay $30 a month to a service that helps me keep up with mailing lists, and send newsletters.
Actual loss of time or money, for only POTENTIAL GAIN.
My plan this time, involves actually NO RISK. Maybe your respect, but Im not sure.
We agree to disagree, but it does not change my mind about... I think you are awesome and cool, and obviously very smart.
:)
Dreamers are good. I too would like to think I am a dreamer, and do wish that the world wasn’t so superficial, etc etc.
I was talking with my roommate today.
Apparently a college/maybe NFL football player threw 2 interceptions. The fans booed him. He went crazy and was arrested for having a gun and was near suicidal.
It’s a shame that by some small action, that a winner was turned into a loser and hated.
People are fickle. People love to love a winner, but regardless of talent, a loser right now, is passed up for the newest winner.
Another.
A girl he knows got her stomach stapled. Apparently now she is enough hot, that dudes wanna bang her.
People are superficial.
I would never boo at a sports figure for making mistakes.
Although I am guilty of being superficial when it comes to appearance and many other things... I hope that I am not so superficial that I would corn a girl just because now she was hot... it involves more than just hotness for me.
Anyways...
hyperhyphen: Wooo... James Jean... SHOOOO... he’s super good, im an amatuer, but i appreciate the comparison. i think i love you.
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
Haha, I remember that quote! That one is hard to remember. But there is a difference between self promotion by saying "go vote for my design" vs "go vote for my design... and I might give you a hundred bucks."
Had the $100 been given to anyone who voted for any of the shirts it would be fair as a way to draw traffic to the contest itself, offering money to vote for a specific design makes it way too corporate.
Townsendcolon said 2 months ago
just voted sorry if you see my comment three times it was acting funny, good luck buddy. You owe me a vote!
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/20224
and hmm those drawings
hyperhyphen said 2 months ago
a killer wombat: in the end why not take profit from the ones are ready to sell themselves or give themselves ( I am referring to your last point) people are so easy to gain these days...you just need to want them on your side, the first 2 are harder and then the rest will follow, like sheeps.
Is not like they are forced to do it, they want to, they need models and advice. Some are made to rule some to follow, but what I am sure of one that FOLLOW will never RULE, but he will try by killing the one he used to follow
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
But art is not about following! Art is about gaining a voice and standing out in a world that is so uniformed. Turning it into a follow the leader issue destroys the fabric of what the contest is about, the art of the shirt.
Even look at the tag line of the contest ".... let your voice be heard".
Sure, doing the approach to get people to follow you blindly will get you more people but its not what it should be about. I guess I am that half retarded sheep that runs around the hills chasing my shadow instead of following the others to the pasture.
I seriously wish we could all be down the street at the bar talking about this stuff drinking some delicious beer. I love talking like this and don’t get nearly enough of it.
image620 said 2 months ago
Fairly true. Unless your wearing a scary mask.
hyperhyphen said 2 months ago
oh I don’t really think this is art...This is showing up some skills and talents and then spreading the voice, and in the end, there’s a business behind DBH concept, they are making money, they are not collectors, they are not sponsors.
This is also spreading to art area, nowdays, as an artist you need an image, be into trend, and a Jerry behind to succeed. In Paris, last years, there was a saying 'if you are not gay, jewish or black there’s no place for you this days, come again'. So artists are items to sell, and sometimes image and marketing, can sell even a piece of crap for millions, we’ve all seen that before.
We lost the power to judge by ouerselves, we need others to tell us what to wear, what to like, what to eat, what music to listen too, but since the choice is so enourmous, we feel we got our own taste and take our own decisions...WRONG... we are just some other TARGET group
I am also sure DBH don’t mind it, as long as new clients come to them due to the marketing of each artist. In the contest rules was also saying it, otherwise they would have choose one from 10, lets say, and not submit it just to the votes
{miles to go} said 2 months ago
i get the motivation in this, but bribing people to vote on your design seems pretty fucked. am i the only one thinking this?
Joey said 2 months ago
no
a killer wombat said 2 months ago
haha, read all my posts. Yes they are long... but thats what I have been saying.
hyperhyphen said 2 months ago
hahha
{miles to go} said 2 months ago
ha, good point, i was being halfway lazy after a few posts.
jimiyo said 2 months ago
good thing you opted out of the newsletter after the first one.
:)
BlakkWear said 2 months ago
commented.
collisiontheory said 2 months ago
Really good discussion going on.
It’s funny because I actually promised my parents money if they helped find me votes haha. Though they probably would’ve helped anyway even without the potential payout.
The thing here is, this is a contest, it’s a POPULARITY contest. DBH determined that when they decided the most votes win it all. Personally, I still think they should’ve just picked the grand prize winner so votes alone won’t determine it. But that’s for another discussion.
Anyway, the art part has been established, the 5 entries all deserve to be here and they all deserve to win the top prize. Now the difference maker will be the one who promotes their entry the best way.
Jimiyo has his ways, and the prizes/cash he’s giving away is a result of his own strategy. I don’t see anything wrong with that at all. He’s merely doing a contest within a contest and nothing is guaranteed to anyone.
Wombat, about the beer part that would’ve been awesome with a discussion like this. So good. There should be more stuff like this going on here.
Tender Branson said 2 months ago
I don’t really see the 10k DBH contest as an "art movement". And anyone who knows Jimiyo, knows that he stated earlier in the year that he was strictly entering contests this year for financial gain, not for respect or for the art of it.
I don’t blame him. If I was this close to winning $10,000 I sure as hell would be swaying as many votes as possible by any means possible.
Everyone here is a car salesman, everyone here slings art for a living. No need to get all preachy on Jimiyo.
jaynajaynajayna said 2 months ago
omg
heeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
IT IS SO FUNNY LOOKING WITH THE MASK AND WHAT NOT
jimiyo said 2 months ago
I wonder... what is your parent’s reach?
Cause you’ve been like an immobile rock, no a mountain since day one.
They... must know MILLIONS.
They must OWN the Philippines. :)
I promised my mom a Chihuahua, if I won, not for help.
I agree to an extent.
I’d like to make a comment and then explain.
In society, in highschool, in general the most popular person has been directly proportional to the size of their bank account. (OR titties)
Society - Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Sports Athletes, Stars with Cribs.
Even in a smaller scale... Who is one of the most loved and popular here?
GoMedia, more specifically, Jeff Finley
Or want another? Jimmy Heartcore.
Now in either case, both dudes are stand up guys, but I think its the impression that since they are owners of businesses, we perceive they are most likely wealthy, or have the potential to be wealthy or success, that also helps them to be very popular here.
Yes, they are super hard workers, yes, they are stand up guys, yes, they are great artists, but do you think if you were to know them without the association of their businesses, do you think they would get the same level of respect?
I would think not. They would still be respected, but not at the level we judge them to be now.
Fact is, we judge people by their appearance, accomplishments, and what others SEEM to think about them. And this SEEM to think about them can be easily wagged provided you have to access to some outlets which will help you project that identity.
Don’t you think, whoever wins, will then for the next year or so, regardless of how close the race was, then be remembered wow, one of the best designers of 2008?
Social Context Example:
Remember this blog? Top 10 T-shirt Designer Portfolio (actually the word "top" isnt included, but i swear i saw that somewhere)
http://www.coloroverload.com/10-amazing-t-shirt-designer-portfolios/
Who was the expert?
And by what method did they choose these designers?
I don’t disagree with the blog that these are great portfolios, but blogs and most all media outlets are thirsty for content as it drives their advertising dollars.
SO, they create this arbitrary scale of designing goodness. How can they judge such a subjective topic?
Fact is... all news is arbitrary yet helps to wag the opinions of the public. This article helped to spur the image of the artists included.
So regardless of the contest is won, except for fraud, which is against the rules, it will help the winner reach the next level beyond the money. Much More.
And the losers? Forgotten.
OK, not really, they might get a little action, but certainly not as much as top winner.
BLHABLAHBLAH. I lost my focus at the end.
You can whine and say that awwww art should be about art... cool... stay in your rooms and draw.
But if you want to become a successful artist, IMO, I think you have to go out there and market yourself while maintaining your integrity with art by doing the art you do love.
You know why so many people hate Kincaid? That guy who paints awwesome colorful houses with gardens?
Because he was successful at marketing his ability.
Now people discredit his ability as being hokey or hackneyed, but if he wasnt successful and he was your poor friend who just never made it making the same pictures he’s making now... wouldnt you think that he was pretty awesome and wish he was successful?
People are jealous and spiteful bitches, ready to criticize and degrade those that are successful in accomplishing their goals... most of the time because they arent brave enough to compete against themselves... to challenge themselves to be better and to put themselves out to be criticized because they are scared of rejection and failure, and do not see that failure are only baby steps to success.
In my opinion.
collisiontheory said 2 months ago
Well here’s one story about my dad’s promotional tactics. He’s in an airport coming from another country, talks to another Filipino about me being the only Filipino in the top 5 finalists in an international t-shirt contest. Turns out he’s a teacher in one of the schools in of the cities here. So he promised to vote and will ask his students to vote. haha
I also just got an email from my dad that he’s now talking to his high school batch of 1965 to gather some support. It’s crazy man he could be a campaign manager for Obama. hehe
I think I’m also getting a lot of countrymen votes because we like having our own do well in the international arena. Whether it’s in the field of music/design/arts/movies/etc. Is it fair? Probably not but since this has become just about the votes then I’ll take it. That’s why I said it’s become a popularity contest since it’s all votes now.
I just noticed this the other day:
http://www.designbyhumans.com/humans/most_popular
The three most "popular" folks on DBH, namely...
1) Mathiole
2) JIMIYO
3) Collision Theory
..are in the TOP 5 finalists. It makes sense. We’ve seemed to have gotten a following over there so I’d like to think the DBH community has given us some looovees too.
I agree about art and marketing ability. Andy Warhol was probably the biggest whore of his own art. Whether we like it or not, no one can deny his contributions and the way he’s changed the way we look at art.
jfinley said 2 months ago
Wow this is a great discussion, I’m barely on Emptees anymore, but this is refreshing.
Jimiyo, I admire your marketing abilities. I consider myself a pretty good marketer, but there are times I can’t help but feel sleazy in my ways. I’m an idealist too. I hate being advertised to unless it’s by a company I support or understand. I hate salesmen who try to sell me on something I have no interest in. If I didn’t know you Jimiyo, I’d probably hate you for this marketing move. But it’s refreshing to hear you talk about it and helps me understand your perspective, which I can totally understand and agree with.
But I also agree with Killer Wombat. It’s like what if John McCain won the election because he paid his voters? What if Go Media had a shirt in this contest and we were able to use our reach and pay our voters $20 each guaranteed? It just wouldn’t seem right to me.
But the more I hear you talk about your motives, the more I understand where you’re coming from. I’m kind of an anti-marketing marketer. I want people to like me for who I am and buy into what I do because they genuinely are interested in it. I know there are certainly thousands of folks who WOULD buy in, but they just don’t know about me - so that’s where marketing comes in. Getting your name and your work out to as many people as possible.
Anyway, just my two cents. I don’t have a preachy point to bring up. I just agree with both sides.
collisiontheory said 2 months ago
Ok totally off topic. Jfinley if i just saw your avatar without your name beside it i’d think you were a total noob. Still trying to get used to it haha.
jfinley said 2 months ago
haha, yeah I’m still waiting for people to come to terms with the loss of my beard. To some, it was like a death in the family haha.
jimiyo said 2 months ago
HEHEHEHHEHEHEHHEHEEHHE. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!
I agree with both sides too Finley.
I was a mass communications major, so I despise advertising, and media, because I know its effect on the audience. Although it might not be right, I suppose I am becoming what I hate... to fulfill my own agenda, which is freedom.
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And Im scared to say, I have a feeling that McCain will win, because he is most connected with lobbyists who have great stake in him winning financially. So essentially he is buying votes...
jfinley said 2 months ago
Speaking of promotion, your free skull photos are looking for Diggs:
http://digg.com/design/Awesome_Skull_Reference_Photos_from_Go_Media
jimiyo said 2 months ago
DUGG!
ez-kun said 2 months ago
off topic> this phrase is like a condensed chapter of my final paper on Julien Sorel(65 pages of frustrated boring writing). He basically did the same thing...and ended up headless:)
edgillustrator said 2 months ago
holy shit im on this.
jimmyheartcore said 2 months ago
Jimiyo!
This is such an excellent idea. I understand what people are saying in regards to the art speaking for itself. However, this is a contest for $10,000 based solely on popular vote.
The fact is, whether or not Jimiyo is running this incentive - everyone else is going to be scrounging for votes too. Why is that? Because there is $10,000 at stake. That’s one huge freaking pay day.
So cut the dude(s) a break. There is nothing wrong with this creative promotion. It’s the entrepreneurial spirit. Yes they’re artists, but they’re trying to get paid! I don’t blame Jimiyo for running this. It’s genius. Give people a real incentive to vote for you. In the end, people are going to vote for whoever they like the most, generally. I didn’t even consider voting for the collective or radiomode - because I don’t know who they are. I want someone I know to win the big prize. Granted, mathiole, collisiontheory and jimiyo are leading it anyway -- but I want one of them to win because I’ve seen their work more. I am more familiar with them as people. I would rather see one of them shine, damnit!
It’s human nature to support your friends / colleagues / peers. These dudes have all worked hard and done some amazing designs to get this far in the contest. Now, what is really going to separate the top 5 is how these guys get their votes. Jimiyo - this might win you the competition. If it does, I think it is well deserved. You’ve all made it this far - it clearly isn’t about the art anymore. There is a new contest to be held - who can get the most votes however they can. That prize is still $10,000. The losers don’t get that prize.
It is plenty to motivate a person to come up with innovative ways to obtain votes.
This is a great example of a very smart strategy.
For the record - and I hope I don’t lose any respect for this - I’m not rich, and neither is Finley! We’re just a couple of dudes trying to make it.
Chances are, it you graduated college, and have a job working for a mildly successful company -- you’re making just as much or more than both of us.
MadeByMAS said 2 months ago
created an account just for you!
asdafkid said 2 months ago
JonSnow said 2 months ago
Promoting is a perfectly acceptable way to garner votes.
Come election day people tend to vote for the name they’ve seen on picket signs, tv ads, etc. The guy that locks himself in his basement and waits for election day doesn’t stand a chance.
Bad allegory, but it’s the best I could come up with at 3am
Good luck Jimi! And props for such a good idea.
ez-kun said 2 months ago