(continuing my 'lead-thread' theme, I found this article and I liked it because it changed my mind on a lot of things. Apart from the 'we should kill them part' , let me know what you think, because unlike some people, I have the ability to change my mind when a good argument is presented. Some call that development...Lets see...)
everyone knows one: a little jumped up shit with his own version of the truth that he bullies people into believing using his staunch unwavering self justifications.
just mean ol' bastards who are willing to shit on everyone to get where they want. they aim to be popular and gain respect and followers and will do so by being a bully and actively hurting people in some way.
these people are called psychopaths. science has shown that 1 out of every 25 people is a psychopath.
My terms are colourful- but this is all science- trust me- links will follow.
the worst thing is the people who buy into this bollocks- they are mostly made up of weak people who have no brains and are willing to follow the crowd- we call these people 'appeasers', the rest are made up of equally evil people with other equally sick twisted bullshit evil in their scared little hearts.
bad thing is these shit heads cannot be beat with love, reason or moral guidance, they can only be beat by using their own standards and basically either killed or bullied back. (killed is usually the only solution seeing as they cannot be reprogrammed)
the trouble is that you will have feelings of remorse like normal people do, and a brain well adjusted enough to measure and moralise about your actions- thus your fight will be weak.
theirs is unwavering, they do not care about peoples emotions- they do not care who gets hurt- they simply do not care.
some are openly nuts: see Saddam and Hitler etc.
some are not so obvious- they run companies, have jobs, etc and are everyday folk able to communicate and blend in to a degree.
these lie and cheat and scheme all day everyday. they may not try to kill you- but they get off on doing you the most harm they can in any way possible. its what they do. its who they are. its all they feel- hurting you, shitting on you.
this is all science fact- one in 25 people cannot be helped, cannot be taught right from wrong, cannot be reasoned with, has no version of the reality we, the rest of us function in.
and what is worse- WE let them get away with it.
<a href="http://www.areawidenews.com/blogs/1215/entry/30111/">
see here</a>
P.S (taken from the original argument)
"This notion is difficult to accept. Ordinary people prefer to believe everyone on this planet would act as they would act. But ordinary people must contend with pure evil somewhere on this planet every day. It won't go away.
Evil people dwell among us. They enjoy inflicting pain on the rest of the world and are incapable of change.
Some of them rise to the top and gain control. It's our duty to recognize them and deal with them properly.
Life is simple. You just need to think for yourself, be kind to others, bathe regularly and oppose evil.
_
Quote for the Day -- "How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." Adolph Hitler "
my beliefs were that you could be kind to people who were evil and show them the error of their ways. and that they would learn to change. Often though, I have encountered people who refuse/cant change and you have to walk away.
Increasingly, I believe less and less in Karma in that being a good person will encourage good things to happen to you.
"thinking good things will happen to you because you are a good person is like thinking a bull will not charge at you because you are a vegetarian"
I do good things because I am and try to be a good person, not because its a good way to get things. I feel remorse when I do bad things.
and learning that inherently evil people exist on a ground level and work to harm you as part of their being, is frightening.
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I know a 1 in 25 on this very website. :(
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Good read.
I used to believe in karma, and i'll still be a nice person as that is who i am and who i want to be, but i've stopped believing it will get you more kindness in return. You get some, but not much at all.
With regards to the 1 in 25 psycopath theory, i'd say if you had a group of 100 people and thus had 4 psycopaths in that group, 3 of them wouldn't know what they are doing and is probably a consequence of something earlier in life. The other 1 (25%) does all their harming conciously and willingly purely for the sake of it.
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I've come to believe that behavior or morals is a product of experience. A mind can not be persuaded to think otherwise when experience has in fact shown the opposite. Often times petty conversation has to be replaced with hard hitting reality, "they can only be beat by using their own standards and basically either killed or bullied back."
Furthermore, Karma is like the reward for those who find it difficult or imposing to "lend a hand." Example: "if I give this bum some money, maybe I'll get approved for that loan I need." This is an effort and reward thought process we tend to pick up as children. You know the whole, eat your veges and you'll get dessert kinda thing. Personally, I think Karma is a nice thought, but ultimately that may be all it is. Unless one believes on a cosmic level we as humans or sources of energy are all connected. In this case Karma can be a reciprocation of positive non-tangible energy.
In conclusion, One doctrine I firmly believe in is, positive surroundings cultivate a positive mind and vice versa.
Just my two cents. I enjoyed reading this GM.
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Excellent read as usual GM!
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/me be's evil.
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cool article GM! I def agree with a lot of the points made in there very interesting.
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im interested in what your thoughts are in what morals are grounded in? Like what is the foundation that you base morals on?
very interesting read by the way. I am going to look more into this
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What are <i>yours</i> grounded in?
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the only way to deal with a nasty dog is to punch it square on the nose KERPOW!
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i ignore them evils...
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<blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> What are <i>yours</i> grounded in?</blockquote>
you know what mine are grounded in. im not getting at a debate or anything. i am just curious, for my own education, and understand what yours are grounded in. that way I can be more understanding, and open minded to other beliefs
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666 † (pretend that cross is upside down)
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<blockquote><cite>Joey said:</cite> 666 † (pretend that cross is upside down)</blockquote>
you better make that cross upside down pussy..
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<blockquote><cite>levi:TPM said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> What are <i>yours</i> grounded in?</blockquote>
you know what mine are grounded in. im not getting at a debate or anything. i am just curious, for my own education, and understand what yours are grounded in. that way I can be more understanding, and open minded to other beliefs</blockquote>
My question is, how do you know the book is correct, if you don't have your own morals to judge it against?
My morals say that regardless of the truth of the book you believe in, the things your god proposes to do to people he doesn't like are <i>wrong</i>. So, whether or not the god you believe in is real, I choose not to follow him.
That is my real question to you. If you base your morals in the bible and a muslim bases his morals in the Curran, how could you possibly believe his belief system is any more flawed than yours is, without having your own morality to compare it against?
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<blockquote><cite>levi:TPM said:</cite> im interested in what your thoughts are in what morals are grounded in? Like what is the foundation that you base morals on?
very interesting read by the way. I am going to look more into this</blockquote>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGWDtEr78mw&feature=related
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that little preview image for that video is terribly misleading
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Interesting, hopefully James takes a second to let it sink in.
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the psychologist that did the 'evil' studies wrote this article about how to deal with sociopaths. Equally a good read though i hopped off of the crazy train a few times dismissing some the criteria as paranoia. But i guess that would make me a victim in her eyes.
http://www.bookbrowse.com/author_interviews/full/index.cfm?author_number=1097
Apparently the number has risen from 1 to 4% over the 80s and 90s, so its a growing demographic as well. Im skeptical about how the data is derived, and where the behavior stems from. Is it genetic, chemical, learned? I might have to pick up her book to find out, but its definitely an interesting theory.
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<blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi:TPM said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> What are <i>yours</i> grounded in?</blockquote>
you know what mine are grounded in. im not getting at a debate or anything. i am just curious, for my own education, and understand what yours are grounded in. that way I can be more understanding, and open minded to other beliefs</blockquote>
My question is, how do you know the book is correct, if you don't have your own morals to judge it against?
My morals say that regardless of the truth of the book you believe in, the things your god proposes to do to people he doesn't like are <i>wrong</i>. So, whether or not the god you believe in is real, I choose not to follow him.
That is my real question to you. If you base your morals in the bible and a muslim bases his morals in the Curran, how could you possibly believe his belief system is any more flawed than yours is, without having your own morality to compare it against?</blockquote>
i wasnt looking to start a argument or debate over emptees. that would get ugly like always. we can do that personally if ya want.
i was just curious as to what you base your morals on, and i ask that without any malice intent at all.
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<blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi:TPM said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> What are <i>yours</i> grounded in?</blockquote>
you know what mine are grounded in. im not getting at a debate or anything. i am just curious, for my own education, and understand what yours are grounded in. that way I can be more understanding, and open minded to other beliefs</blockquote>
My question is, how do you know the book is correct, if you don't have your own morals to judge it against?
My morals say that regardless of the truth of the book you believe in, the things your god proposes to do to people he doesn't like are <i>wrong</i>. So, whether or not the god you believe in is real, I choose not to follow him.
That is my real question to you. If you base your morals in the bible and a muslim bases his morals in the Curran, how could you possibly believe his belief system is any more flawed than yours is, without having your own morality to compare it against?</blockquote>
Oh Nick, you and your circular reasoning....
Haha, love you brother!
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Why should anybody openly explain their morals to you, if you're not willing to do the same.
You opened the can of worms, not me.
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i liked the original subject better
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MORE SLUTTY COP!
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<blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> Why should anybody openly explain their morals to you, if you're not willing to do the same.
You opened the can of worms, not me.</blockquote>
i told you i would personally. just not here. it will turn into a bashing field if we do that. im not looking for that. i am just looking for understanding, and clarification
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<blockquote><cite>Joey said:</cite> MORE SLUTTY COP!</blockquote>
Boom!
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<blockquote><cite>molasses4masses said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi:TPM said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> What are <i>yours</i> grounded in?</blockquote>
you know what mine are grounded in. im not getting at a debate or anything. i am just curious, for my own education, and understand what yours are grounded in. that way I can be more understanding, and open minded to other beliefs</blockquote>
My question is, how do you know the book is correct, if you don't have your own morals to judge it against?
My morals say that regardless of the truth of the book you believe in, the things your god proposes to do to people he doesn't like are <i>wrong</i>. So, whether or not the god you believe in is real, I choose not to follow him.
That is my real question to you. If you base your morals in the bible and a muslim bases his morals in the Curran, how could you possibly believe his belief system is any more flawed than yours is, without having your own morality to compare it against?</blockquote>
Oh Nick, you and your circular reasoning....
Haha, love you brother!</blockquote>
It's not circular, Dave. It's a question about leadership without quality control. If obama said he was going to kill everyone that didn't love him, he'd be insane, but people are willing to take it from a book that our loving creator would treat us this way.
I used Muslim as a basis for comparison, because the bible explicitly states that your God is a jealous God, etc etc. So, obviously, if you are following the scriptures you cannot honestly believe that the other religion is correct. It's against the basic moral fiber of the bible.
So, if one has to be correct, and you have no base-morality against which to test the correctness of the book you choose.. it's a crap shoot.
What is circular about requiring accountability in your morality?
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Also, I love you too.
xoxo
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I have a friend who wont say sorry for anything bad he does. he always tried to justify his actions and blame the other person 'he had it coming, its his fault, he started it' etc etc. I dont hang out with him anymore.
some people I dont even argue with because you can tell they are actually insane. Some people can be changed only when the tide turns (EVERYONE says they are wrong). some can take on board new ideas and grow.
as for morals in the bible- well- there are some great ones- but they are kinda obvious and have been around for years before jebus. What is shocking is the morals that are quite hidious. and its great when people tell you 'oh those ones were for back then, they dont apply now'. really, do they have an asterix next to them for that? didnt god know that we would develop as concious beings? why didnt he help out from the word get go and say 'actually, do you know what, slavery is bad and guys, dont rape kids, ok'. he just kind of waited around and hoped you would slowly stop believing his word and decide that bit was 'for the past'?
pssshhh.
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<blockquote><cite>David_M said:</cite> I've come to believe that behavior or morals is a product of experience. A mind can not be persuaded to think otherwise when experience has in fact shown the opposite. Often times petty conversation has to be replaced with hard hitting reality, "they can only be beat by using their own standards and basically either killed or bullied back."
Furthermore, Karma is like the reward for those who find it difficult or imposing to "lend a hand." Example: "if I give this bum some money, maybe I'll get approved for that loan I need." This is an effort and reward thought process we tend to pick up as children. You know the whole, eat your veges and you'll get dessert kinda thing. Personally, I think Karma is a nice thought, but ultimately that may be all it is. Unless one believes on a cosmic level we as humans or sources of energy are all connected. In this case Karma can be a reciprocation of positive non-tangible energy.
In conclusion, One doctrine I firmly believe in is, positive surroundings cultivate a positive mind and vice versa.
Just my two cents. I enjoyed reading this GM.</blockquote>
well said
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lol "Throwing stones at people until they die is alright for now, but later you can't do that, mkay?!"
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To add to the discussion Nick.
I agree with what you are saying. I live with Christian Beliefs in my life but would never call myself one. To be Christian is to be Christ-Like and that is humanly impossible to me but I do try to live up to his teachings. Regardless of my beliefs, my problem is with those that do call themselves Christians.
It never made sense to me to have these Bible Stadiums and to gut people in tithing. It never made sense that people with a pocket full of money would rather pray for someone who's hungry then feed them. Because of things like you mentioned "Our God is a Jealous God" make me kind of stray.. There is a lot I don't understand in the book but those scriptures I do understand I try and take from and place into my way of living.
I think you are an incredibly kind person and what you said about God being Jealous and killing all those that are non-christians has never made sense to me and will not make sense to me. I can honestly say most people I have met in my life that were non-christians have been much more appreciative, giving and reciprocative people than those I've known to be "Christians". The Bible says not to question God but I truly wish the scriptures that leave questions wouldn't leave room for questioning.
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The Armageddon part of the bible. Nowhere to hide, righteous wrath, etc. Is where I'm talking about killing people who don't love him.
The jealous thing is a direct quote.
<blockquote>You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5).</blockquote>
Also, there are people being beaten to death, tortured, raped, molested, dying of starvation, and worse as we type this. I fail to see why a loving god would heed the prayers of middle-class american christians while he allowed such pain in others of his loving creations.
I am not attacking the morality of christians, I am saying that I disagree with the morality displayed by the god of christianity. Levi wanted to know what GM bases his morality in, and I am questioning what Levi bases HIS in.
Mostly because I expect Levi's answer to be much more interesting than GM's answer.
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<blockquote>these people are called psychopaths. science has shown that 1 out of every 25 people is a psychopath.</blockquote>
anyone else think about this line? i dont know how it is in other countries (or perhaps states in this issue), but when i was in public school from k-12 most of my classes had about 25 kids in them. and you know something? in almost every one there was at least one 'evil' kid - one who would do anything to put someone down, for their sheer pleasure and popularity.
anyone else have a similar experience?
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<blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> The Armageddon part of the bible. Nowhere to hide, righteous wrath, etc. Is where I'm talking about killing people who don't love him.
The jealous thing is a direct quote.
<blockquote>You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5).</blockquote>
Also, there are people being beaten to death, tortured, raped, molested, dying of starvation, and worse as we type this. I fail to see why a loving god would heed the prayers of middle-class american christians while he allowed such pain in others of his loving creations.
I am not attacking the morality of christians, I am saying that I disagree with the morality displayed by the god of christianity. Levi wanted to know what GM bases his morality in, and I am questioning what Levi bases HIS in.
Mostly because I expect Levi's answer to be much more interesting than GM's answer.</blockquote>
Yeah I know what you meant man. A lot of the pastors that taught at the churches I've been to always say that, "Our God, is a Jealous God, So we must give him all our love". I just wanted to point that out.
I know you weren't attacking. Your questions and opinions are great because they are based on fact opposed to just taking the bible and believing everything in it is good because you have to. I think it opened up my realm of questioning even more.
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<blockquote><cite>Godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi:TPM said:</cite> im interested in what your thoughts are in what morals are grounded in? Like what is the foundation that you base morals on?
very interesting read by the way. I am going to look more into this</blockquote>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGWDtEr78mw&feature=related</blockquote>
Whats going on with that chicks waist? That's some seriously disasterous photoshopping right there.
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where iz da N00DZ again?
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpaN6YIf5PI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpaN6YIf5PI</a>
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if our god is a jealous god then why is he telling us not to covet thy neighbor's wife?
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<blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>molasses4masses said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi:TPM said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> What are <i>yours</i> grounded in?</blockquote>
you know what mine are grounded in. im not getting at a debate or anything. i am just curious, for my own education, and understand what yours are grounded in. that way I can be more understanding, and open minded to other beliefs</blockquote>
My question is, how do you know the book is correct, if you don't have your own morals to judge it against?
My morals say that regardless of the truth of the book you believe in, the things your god proposes to do to people he doesn't like are <i>wrong</i>. So, whether or not the god you believe in is real, I choose not to follow him.
That is my real question to you. If you base your morals in the bible and a muslim bases his morals in the Curran, how could you possibly believe his belief system is any more flawed than yours is, without having your own morality to compare it against?</blockquote>
Oh Nick, you and your circular reasoning....
Haha, love you brother!</blockquote>
It's not circular, Dave. It's a question about leadership without quality control. If obama said he was going to kill everyone that didn't love him, he'd be insane, but people are willing to take it from a book that our loving creator would treat us this way.
I used Muslim as a basis for comparison, because the bible explicitly states that your God is a jealous God, etc etc. So, obviously, if you are following the scriptures you cannot honestly believe that the other religion is correct. It's against the basic moral fiber of the bible.
So, if one has to be correct, and you have no base-morality against which to test the correctness of the book you choose.. it's a crap shoot.
What is circular about requiring accountability in your morality?</blockquote>
I was just trying to give you a hard time.
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<blockquote><cite>ExaltedByMark. said:</cite>
The Bible says not to question God but I truly wish the scriptures that leave questions wouldn't leave room for questioning.
</blockquote>
It doesn't actually say not to question God. How would one discover any truth if they didn't ask questions? Whether or not you choose to believe in the deity of biblical God, he does, in fact, welcome questioning, after all, he claims to have invented everything you've ever known.
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Damn you Dave! You were successful.
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<blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> Damn you Dave! You were successful.</blockquote>
We never talk anymore. I feel like I have an empty part in my life. How much more gay can I turn this thread?
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lol I think there is still plenty of gay left to explore.
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gotta side with nick here on the whole changing of whats "out dated" in the bible and they can quickly say, well, no, that one we can ignore, etc. i personally do not believe in god and certainly not a personal god but if someone chooses to believe, go for it. i get the need to feel a reason to live and to be devoted to something. but, the wars, the wrath, the pain inflicted in the name of religion, any of them, is ridiculous. like beating people into, say, christianity is the right way. sure, the bible condones killing when needed and the old testament is ripe with violence. offering up your virgin daughter, killing your brother, all in a days work.
and as mark has mentioned, if you want to claim your a christian and youd rather pray for gods help with the poor instead of actually doing something about it then you have no right to call yourself a christian.
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2009-09-23T14:41:35-04:00
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<blockquote><cite>{miles to go} said:</cite> gotta side with nick here on the whole changing of whats "out dated" in the bible and they can quickly say, well, no, that one we can ignore, etc. i personally do not believe in god and certainly not a personal god but if someone chooses to believe, go for it. i get the need to feel a reason to live and to be devoted to something. but, the wars, the wrath, the pain inflicted in the name of religion, any of them, is ridiculous. like beating people into, say, christianity is the right way. sure, the bible condones killing when needed and the old testament is ripe with violence. offering up your virgin daughter, killing your brother, all in a days work.
and as mark has mentioned, if you want to claim your a christian and youd rather pray for gods help with the poor instead of actually doing something about it then you have no right to call yourself a christian.</blockquote>
The book of James calls for people's faith to be backed by deeds. I agree, it is hypocritical to pray for them and do nothing.
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2009-09-23T14:44:56-04:00
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so what is being a christian? because you cant rightly believe the bible is the word of god coz that book is full of crazy stuff. and you have not right over your lord to pick and choose whats right and whats not.....so what is it to be?
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2009-09-23T14:53:58-04:00
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Steinback's East of Eden is a pretty good fictional read concerning the struggle of the psychopath...
I wonder if 1 out of 25 people are also banking investors? that would explain a lot...
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2009-09-23T14:57:47-04:00
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<blockquote><cite>of1000kings said:</cite> Steinback's East of Eden is a pretty good fictional read concerning the struggle of the psychopath...
I wonder if 1 out of 25 people are also banking investors? that would explain a lot...</blockquote>
LOL.
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2009-09-23T15:50:53-04:00
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btw, all the people up there arguing over christianity and what not - just follow the ten commandments that god gave down to moses and your set. i dont even know why god gave them to moses, they should be pretty self explanatory things to follow without anyone (such as god) telling you to.
the ten commandments are the basis of judaism, christianity, and islam.. ye we still cant seem to all get along, religiously speaking.
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2009-09-23T15:54:58-04:00
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Glad that you could come through and sort that all out for us.
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2009-09-23T15:57:49-04:00
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<blockquote><cite>asher2789 said:</cite> btw, all the people up there arguing over christianity and what not - just follow the ten commandments that god gave down to moses and your set. i dont even know why god gave them to moses, they should be pretty self explanatory things to follow without anyone (such as god) telling you to.
the ten commandments are the basis of judaism, christianity, and islam.. ye we still cant seem to all get along, religiously speaking.</blockquote>
My life now has meaning and purpose. Thank you!
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2009-09-23T16:00:16-04:00
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912#
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2009-09-23T16:08:27-04:00
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staying with original message, though, for at least 1 in 25 people the ten commandments are not that evident...can we blame the people if their brains just don't tell them the same things that the rest of our brains tell us?
it also makes you think about what types of things seem evident to other people but you/I have a hard time grasping, for similar reasons (our brains just don't think the same way)...the current health care issue is a perfect example...
maybe the people against health care for all just don't have that part of their brain telling them to be compassionate to all people, no matter the class or color...
then again, people are able to convince themselves of some pretty crazy shit when it benefits them...
anytime I get into a discussion about morals I always think about "brave new world"...not an exceptionally written book like something from Steinback or Dickens, but there are some really good quotes in there about creating what the mind believes is moral and what isn't (basically just brainwashing)...
anytime I need a religious boost I just read Khalil Gibran's "The Prophet"...he puts everything into the right perspective...there seems to be a perspective gained by living in the North Africa/mediterranean crossroads (Lebanon to be specefic for Gibran) that can be a good mix of eastern and western philosophies (and I'm all about balance)...Lebanon and the surrounding areas have created some really great writers/philosophers....
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2009-09-23T16:28:27-04:00
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Speaking of which... the West Borough Baptist Church is coming to my neighborhood on friday (godhatesfags.com)
these fucking people are sick and twisted in the fucking head
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2009-09-23T16:38:41-04:00
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those are the type of people that I think convince themselves that they are right to a point where they truly believe it...
the brain is quite powerful in that regard...
it's like the people who convince themselves that cap-and-trade is bad....it's obvious that they are wrong, but because they have such a financial interest in the issue they are actually able to convince themselves that the pollution from energy producing coal plants isn't that bad (but don't get them started on the pollution from cigarettes, lol...tax tax tax all you want there)...
Gibran wrote a short about a priest that comes across a severely wounded devil...the priest has the opportunity to totally eradicate the devil from our world, but then he thinks about the fact that without the devil he has no job, so instead of killing the devil he nurses the devil back to health...
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2009-09-23T16:49:50-04:00
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Whole lotta smart talking I ain't gots time for now.
I'll philosophize all this here information later.
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2009-09-23T17:05:26-04:00
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<blockquote><cite>of1000kings said:</cite> those are the type of people that I think convince themselves that they are right to a point where they truly believe it...
the brain is quite powerful in that regard...</blockquote>
I consider myself a polytheistic atheist. I don't believe that there is a supreme being, but do believe that gods exist in a very real manner. The human mind is capable of amazing things. I believe that for people who believe in a god, that god is just as real and influencing in their actions as if it was a supreme being. I believe that each individual's "god" is a completely separate entity created by their mind. The human mind is incredible enough to have influences outside of ourselves that we don't understand, and thus I believe that someone's belief in a god is tangible enough to consider that god to be real. I believe things such as "the power of prayer" actually exist as a result of the human mind's capability for belief and influence of our world around us, not just through our perception.
Given this belief system, it is very easy for me to understand the multitude of religions that exist, and the multitude of different people's beliefs and experiences following, in their belief, the same God. A belief system in and of itself isn't inherently right or wrong, it is how each individual massages and shapes that belief system into their own personal god that determines the benefit or detriment that their belief will have on their lives.
I also do believe in karma, but not in a strict sense of "if I do something good, something good will happen (that I will notice)". We take for granted many good things in our lives, like the fact that we are still living. Thus, it is very easy to overlook the benefits that we feel we are "owed". Likewise, inner turmoil or other aspects of an "evil" person's life is impossible for us to gauge, therefore I feel it is unreasonable to believe that we can truly understand how karma might influence our lives.
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2009-09-23T18:00:05-04:00
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<blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> Glad that you could come through and sort that all out for us.</blockquote>
i dunno - maybe its because im an agnostic who just believes in god and thats about it... but i think the rest of the bibles in all three religions tend to be full of contradictory messages that stray away from the main points.
no need to be a smartass about it.
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2009-09-23T22:46:37-04:00
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You were pretty much begging for a smartass response there.
Don't be mad at me because you thought you were going to learn us all about the real way of the universe by telling us to follow the 10 commandments.
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2009-09-23T23:13:41-04:00
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somewhat off topic, but i'll bring it in some:
I saw this "Stomp out bullying" commercial by "jojo" the otherday, and the whole time she was using this condescending tone. stomping on the ground... basically she goes on and on about how you gotta bully the bullies? to "Stomp out bullying?"
the way i see it is: whatever religion you are, it all bottles down to ONE Point: try to not be a dick, try to give people respect, and when they do something that demerits respect, take it away. you can be FUNNY and fuck around all day long, but the seccond you offend someone, have humility and make shit better.
cowards hide behind their computers daily, and with their hurtufl tones, continue to bash kids and seriously cause some damage. I for one was extremely bullied growing up that i became a bully and find myself picking on friends, i couldnt fight, but i could talk some SERIOUS Shit. i didnt even realize i was doing it. so if i cross the line, thank (whatever "god" is out there) that i feel remorse if i actually offend someone.
its the internet people,this whole thing might as well be some forum. emptees is just slowly going downhill, its not ONE person who's bringing evryone down, its the lot of us not really doing anything about it.
whatever religion you are, bottom line is just simply dont be a DICK for no damn reason. Learn humility, and admit when you are wrong.
it makes the world a DEFINITE better place.
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2009-09-24T00:37:15-04:00
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<blockquote><cite>I AM SCUMBAG said:</cite>
the way i see it is: whatever religion you are, it all bottles down to ONE Point: try to not be a dick, try to give people respect, and when they do something that demerits respect, take it away. you can be FUNNY and fuck around all day long, but the seccond you offend someone, have humility and make shit better.
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that was the point i was trying to make with the whole 'follow the ten commandements and your set' post.
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2009-09-24T19:52:07-04:00
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