http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0 2008-10-26T23:27:12-04:00 342 2008-10-16T11:33:54-04:00 8973 false false 3490 1465 1 2009-11-08T05:14:00-05:00 3246 We're doomed. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:36:48-04:00 233334 2329 2008-10-16T11:36:48-04:00 saw this earlier, so amazing. they did something funny on stern two weeks ago that shows noboby knows anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:37:03-04:00 233336 14 2008-10-16T11:37:03-04:00 Typical southern Ohio people. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:37:05-04:00 233337 1661 2008-10-16T11:37:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>dobi said:</cite> saw this earlier, so amazing. they did something funny on stern two weeks ago that shows noboby knows anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg</blockquote> I cracked up listening to that last week. People are idiots. Those people didn't sound like the voting type to me, though. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:37:49-04:00 233339 1661 2008-10-16T11:37:49-04:00 Woooooooooooooooooow. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:39:48-04:00 233340 4999 2008-10-16T11:39:48-04:00 man i cant watch it cuz work cp wont load the video somebody tell me what its about 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:39:50-04:00 233341 5678 2008-10-16T11:39:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>jimmyheartcore said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> I cracked up listening to that last week. People are idiots. Those people didn't sound like the voting type to me, though.</blockquote> They don't know shit about shit. I'm sure they interviewed people who did know what was going on. It's a lot more entertaining to listen to dumb asses.</blockquote> It's the majority its a scary world in the midwest, ask cole, he knows! these people are nuts. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:47:47-04:00 233351 1465 2008-10-16T11:47:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>jimmyheartcore said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> I cracked up listening to that last week. People are idiots. Those people didn't sound like the voting type to me, though.</blockquote> They don't know shit about shit. I'm sure they interviewed people who did know what was going on. It's a lot more entertaining to listen to dumb asses.</blockquote> I was thinking that about the first video. You go to a republican rally in a small hick town and ask them how rad Obama is, then publish it under the pretense that it's the average Americans opinion. Cute. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:47:52-04:00 233352 997 2008-10-16T11:47:52-04:00 <blockquote><cite>doublej said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>jimmyheartcore said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> I cracked up listening to that last week. People are idiots. Those people didn't sound like the voting type to me, though.</blockquote> They don't know shit about shit. I'm sure they interviewed people who did know what was going on. It's a lot more entertaining to listen to dumb asses.</blockquote> It's the majority its a scary world in the midwest, ask cole, he knows! these people are nuts.</blockquote> They only half know what they are talking about.... Obama is Christian first off... either way it doesn't matter. Freedom of religion, remember? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:50:02-04:00 233358 2329 2008-10-16T11:50:02-04:00 i want to see some facts on who the mainstream media polls like who they poll i heard that conservatives are never called and if they happen to call a person that wont vote for obama, then they start arguing with them i have no facts to back it up, just what i heard listen to micheal savage! he will change your view on the world haha 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:50:07-04:00 233359 5678 2008-10-16T11:50:07-04:00 Ohio. *edit, just watched the video. fuck. i called it. i hate us. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:50:19-04:00 233360 5431 2008-10-16T11:50:43-04:00 <blockquote><cite>doublej said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>jimmyheartcore said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> I cracked up listening to that last week. People are idiots. Those people didn't sound like the voting type to me, though.</blockquote> They don't know shit about shit. I'm sure they interviewed people who did know what was going on. It's a lot more entertaining to listen to dumb asses.</blockquote> It's the majority its a scary world in the midwest, ask cole, he knows! these people are nuts.</blockquote> Those people are not the majority opinion in the US. Admit it, you're making a generalization. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:51:23-04:00 233362 1661 2008-10-16T11:51:23-04:00 There are thousands upon thousands of people who think exactly like everyone in that video. They have no reason to be afraid of terrorists, but they are. They also have the right to vote, and they utilize it to their fullest. Even up around northeast ohio, Obama is a pretty strong candidate, but for every sign I see of his, I see cardboard cutouts of McCain and Palin a few houses down, and a dozen more McCain signs to boot. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:55:26-04:00 233368 5431 2008-10-16T11:55:26-04:00 YEA FOR AMERICANS! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:56:58-04:00 233371 6988 2008-10-16T11:56:58-04:00 At least I now know that Obama and his wife are going to have the blacks take over the country. Things like this make me embarrassed for our country. We don't live in the 19th century anymore. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:57:21-04:00 233372 4931 2008-10-16T11:57:21-04:00 This isn't why he won't be elected, but it's why he'll be in severe danger if he does. Also, that Stern shit is hilarious. No one votes on issues. It's insane. <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> i want to see some facts on who the mainstream media polls like who they poll i heard that conservatives are never called and if they happen to call a person that wont vote for obama, then they start arguing with them i have no facts to back it up, just what i heard</blockquote> I don't believe that at all. Sounds like one of those liberal conspiracy theories. Gallup is in the bag for Obama? Every polling group is in the bag for Obama? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:58:12-04:00 233374 1027 2008-10-16T11:58:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>doublej said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>jimmyheartcore said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> I cracked up listening to that last week. People are idiots. Those people didn't sound like the voting type to me, though.</blockquote> They don't know shit about shit. I'm sure they interviewed people who did know what was going on. It's a lot more entertaining to listen to dumb asses.</blockquote> It's the majority its a scary world in the midwest, ask cole, he knows! these people are nuts.</blockquote> Those people are not the majority opinion in the US. Admit it, you're making a generalization.</blockquote> Of course! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:58:13-04:00 233375 1465 2008-10-16T11:58:13-04:00 <blockquote><cite>doublej said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>doublej said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>jimmyheartcore said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> I cracked up listening to that last week. People are idiots. Those people didn't sound like the voting type to me, though.</blockquote> They don't know shit about shit. I'm sure they interviewed people who did know what was going on. It's a lot more entertaining to listen to dumb asses.</blockquote> It's the majority its a scary world in the midwest, ask cole, he knows! these people are nuts.</blockquote> Those people are not the majority opinion in the US. Admit it, you're making a generalization.</blockquote> Of course!</blockquote> lulzaroni! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T11:58:51-04:00 233377 1661 2008-10-16T11:58:51-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCQSk2l8bc 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:00:18-04:00 233380 2802 2008-10-16T12:00:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>dobi said:</cite> saw this earlier, so amazing. they did something funny on stern two weeks ago that shows noboby knows anything. </blockquote> Yeah that was great. I love when Sal does bits in Harlem. I cringe when Stern talks about politics though, he's so clearly out of touch on that issue. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:02:41-04:00 233383 6815 2008-10-16T12:02:41-04:00 what happened with obamas wife saying that she hasnt been proud of america until now thats kinda shady 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:04:21-04:00 233386 5678 2008-10-16T12:04:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> what happened with obamas wife saying that she hasnt been proud of america until now thats kinda shady</blockquote> that isn't the direct quote. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:06:04-04:00 233388 5431 2008-10-16T12:06:04-04:00 saw that first video yesterday, ridiculous. super sad that people are that ignorant and that the current administration (and others) have trained people to fear anyone who isn't a white christian. and while on the subject, i still can't believe that video with mccain taking the mic from the woman saying obama is "an arab". i almost want to applaud him for telling someone how it is for once, but to say he isn't an arab, he's a decent family man? right, cause all arabs are terrorists and bad family men? i don't know, maybe i'm crazy, but to me white = black = mexican = arab = whatever. any of these people are capable of harming/killing people. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:06:41-04:00 233389 178 2008-10-16T12:06:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>discordantart said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> what happened with obamas wife saying that she hasnt been proud of america until now thats kinda shady</blockquote> that isn't the direct quote.</blockquote> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/michelle-obama-takes-heat-for-saying-shes-proud-of-my-country-for-the-first-time/ read 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:10:50-04:00 233392 5678 2008-10-16T12:10:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>discordantart said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> what happened with obamas wife saying that she hasnt been proud of america until now thats kinda shady</blockquote> that isn't the direct quote.</blockquote> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/michelle-obama-takes-heat-for-saying-shes-proud-of-my-country-for-the-first-time/ read</blockquote> are you proud of your country? I'm not proud of mine. pride is a wicked thing indeed brother, as too is patriotism, be careful when weilding those words. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:12:12-04:00 233395 2802 2008-10-16T12:13:10-04:00 i still don't see what is wrong with that quote? i haven't felt proud of this country in several years. what is there to be proud of? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:12:15-04:00 233396 178 2008-10-16T12:12:15-04:00 im proud that i live in a country where im free to do whatever i want sorry 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:12:41-04:00 233399 5678 2008-10-16T12:12:41-04:00 hahaha, thanks for the fair and unbiased fox news link "For the first time in <b>my adult lifetime</b>, I'm <b>really</b> proud of my country" much different than her saying it's the "first time" shes <b>ever</b> been proud of her country. it's especially obvious if you hear it in context. it's all about connotation. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:13:18-04:00 233401 5431 2008-10-16T12:14:34-04:00 i typed obamas wife not proud of country in google tons of links second one was fox 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:14:45-04:00 233405 5678 2008-10-16T12:14:45-04:00 Holt shit dude. That really scares me. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:15:36-04:00 233407 245 2008-10-16T12:15:36-04:00 im not saying these people shouldnt be elected (i wont vote for them in a million years tho) but i am alittle worried that she would have a part in the whitehouse and she would say something like this 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:16:06-04:00 233408 5678 2008-10-16T12:16:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> what happened with obamas wife saying that she hasnt been proud of america until now thats kinda shady</blockquote> How is that shady? I don't buy into this philosophy of exceptionalism that the Republicans talk about all the time. How can we improve if we think this country is perfect? How can this be a democracy if we do not openly criticize it? <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> im proud that i live in a country where im free to do whatever i want sorry</blockquote> You're not free to do whatever you want. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:18:23-04:00 233412 1027 2008-10-16T12:18:23-04:00 ha im surprised you guys arent proud of this country if you arent, why are you hear? go live over seas with free health care and stand in line for hours to get a surgrery from a second rate doctor cousin had a hole in her heart in england, waited for surgrery under free health care system for the longest time, then the surgrery failed. came to houston, had the surgrery right away with success 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:18:36-04:00 233414 5678 2008-10-16T12:18:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Kevin Doom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> what happened with obamas wife saying that she hasnt been proud of america until now thats kinda shady</blockquote> How is that shady? I don't buy into this philosophy of exceptionalism that the Republicans talk about all the time. How can we improve if we think this country is perfect? How can this be a democracy if we do not openly criticize it? <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> im proud that i live in a country where im free to do whatever i want sorry</blockquote> You're not free to do whatever you want.</blockquote> we wont be free if we have to "spread the wealth around" socialism? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:19:25-04:00 233416 5678 2008-10-16T12:19:25-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> im proud that i live in a country where im free to do whatever i want sorry</blockquote> i see it different then you. i hardly see all people as being "free". i see tons of favoritism, and tons of negativity towards all races, except white. when we do something truly commendable, i'll take that all back. do i think we are better than most countries, absolutely. but i still think we lack a lot when it comes to freedom of religion, expression, human rights, etc. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:20:30-04:00 233420 178 2008-10-16T12:20:30-04:00 Both videos just show how misinformed both supporters are. It's actually pretty ridiculous. I feel bad for the electoral process in general now. I'd say that the first video and the sentiments in that one just shows how fearful people are of change and whats unfamiliar to them. It's really terrible, and i'm glad that Mccain set the record straight, I just wish he had done it sooner. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:21:17-04:00 233421 4835 2008-10-16T12:21:17-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justinryan said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> im proud that i live in a country where im free to do whatever i want sorry</blockquote> i see it different then you. i hardly see all people as being "free". i see tons of favoritism, and tons of negativity towards all races, except white. when we do something truly commendable, i'll take that all back. do i think we are better than most countries, absolutely. but i still think we lack a lot when it comes to freedom of religion, expression, human rights, etc.</blockquote> Christians arent free, sorry 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:21:55-04:00 233423 5678 2008-10-16T12:22:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> ha im surprised you guys arent proud of this country if you arent, why are you hear? go live over seas with free health care and stand in line for hours to get a surgrery from a second rate doctor cousin had a hole in her heart in england, waited for surgrery under free health care system for the longest time, then the surgrery failed. came to houston, had the surgrery right away with success</blockquote> sucks for your cousin, and i'm sorry they had bad care, but that is ONE case. you really are gong to base your whole world view on one incidence? please tell me a few things that happen here that are worthy of great praise or pride? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:22:58-04:00 233424 178 2008-10-16T12:25:43-04:00 uhhh <img src="http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/are_you_serious.jpg" /> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:23:23-04:00 233425 5431 2008-10-16T12:23:23-04:00 Im not proud of mine. GM, do you mean wales or the UK? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:25:36-04:00 233432 1307 2008-10-16T12:25:36-04:00 sorry, the Christian statement out of line but ok. freetrade we can start clothing company, and run it, and make money go try that in India and then talk to me in a few years after they approve it 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:27:23-04:00 233437 5678 2008-10-16T12:27:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> ha im surprised you guys arent proud of this country if you arent, why are you hear? go live over seas with free health care and stand in line for hours to get a surgrery from a second rate doctor</blockquote> There's a difference between being proud of what this country is supposed to be and being proud of it's actions. This country was built on solid principles. The Constitution is brilliant. But that does not mean you should be called un-American if you criticize it, and it does not make you un-Patriotic to love what this country is supposed to be but be ashamed of some of its actions. Blind patriotism is dangerous. I'm paraphrasing here, and I wish I could remember who to attribute this to, but recently a Congresswoman said "You guard Democracy with criticism". 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:29:00-04:00 233441 1027 2008-10-16T12:29:00-04:00 haha yeah i'm real proud that so many people think obama is an arab terrorist and are afraid that "the blacks" will take over if he wins. for fuck sakes, give me a break. just because i think our governments policies are ignorant and flawed doesn't mean i dont appreciate the freedoms we have as americans. <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> ha im surprised you guys arent proud of this country if you arent, why are you hear? go live over seas with free health care and stand in line for hours to get a surgrery from a second rate doctor... </blockquote> yeah and just so you know (because it looks like you haven't actually lived in another country), i'm living in Ireland right now (which has the number 2 rated hospital for cancer research and surgery in the U.K., by the way), wich has made me realise just how ignorant the rest of the world thinks america is. it doesn't make me very proud. how about you? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:29:19-04:00 233442 1541 2008-10-16T12:29:53-04:00 im not saying she is un- American. i would of said that if i thought it just when someone says that this is the first time in their adult life that they have been proud of this country. i wont vote for that i would want someone who wont apologize for something we as Americans believe in, not say im not proud of this country sorry 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:31:13-04:00 233445 5678 2008-10-16T12:31:13-04:00 personally, im sick of extremists. both the extremely conservative (as well as fundamentalist religious people) and the extremely liberal. i would say i lean towards the liberal side of things, but i hate it when other liberals feel the need to be the opposite extreme of the people shown in that video and act like tree hugging barefoot hippies and crusty gutter-punk anarchists all the time...much like how that video probably makes some conservatives feel like those people make other conservatives look bad and help create the stereotype of all republicans being old crotchety bible-thumping white racists... 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:32:05-04:00 233448 5409 2008-10-16T12:32:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> im proud that i live in a country where im free to do whatever i want sorry</blockquote> patriot act. sweet. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:34:01-04:00 233452 1541 2008-10-16T12:34:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> i would want someone who wont apologize for something we as Americans believe in, not say im not proud of this country</blockquote> What does that mean? What did he/she/someone apologize for that we as Americans believe in? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:34:02-04:00 233453 1027 2008-10-16T12:34:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Kevin Doom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> ha im surprised you guys arent proud of this country if you arent, why are you hear? go live over seas with free health care and stand in line for hours to get a surgrery from a second rate doctor</blockquote> There's a difference between being proud of what this country is supposed to be and being proud of it's actions. This country was built on solid principles. The Constitution is brilliant. But that does not mean you should be called un-American if you criticize it, and it does not make you un-Patriotic to love what this country is supposed to be but be ashamed of some of its actions.</blockquote> this is what I meant. I think we have great potential and some excellent history - but have lost our way a bit over the years. i am not just blaming this on Bush, republicans, etc. i am still here because i feel like we still have some good going on and that we may be able to get back to where we should be in due time. that said -- i really need to get back to work! haha 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:36:13-04:00 233455 178 2008-10-16T12:36:43-04:00 <blockquote><cite>dobi said:</cite> saw this earlier, so amazing. they did something funny on stern two weeks ago that shows noboby knows anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg</blockquote> This is amazing, and really pathetic. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:39:09-04:00 233461 1276 2008-10-16T12:39:09-04:00 lol IM not proud of this country, because we elected a fucking retard and were tangled in a gigantic diplomatic and economic mess...does that make me un-patriotic? i remember if you were at all against the war you were speaking out against the government and everyone called you unpatriotic. um, this country was FOUNDED on DISSENT. we spoke out against the english government, and thats how america was founded. if anything, speaking out against your government if you think they are fucking up should be considered VERY patriotic. so saying you arnt proud of your country dosnt mean you hate it and you should move somewhere else. it just means you want it to change for the better so you can be proud of it. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:42:47-04:00 233468 5409 2008-10-16T12:42:47-04:00 sad 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:45:02-04:00 233475 1056 2008-10-16T12:45:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> ha im surprised you guys arent proud of this country if you arent, why are you hear? go live over seas with free health care and stand in line for hours to get a surgrery from a second rate doctor cousin had a hole in her heart in england, waited for surgrery under free health care system for the longest time, then the surgrery failed. came to houston, had the surgrery right away with success</blockquote> you are either lying or you are misinformed. you have awful opinions based on nothing but hype/spin and i don't even believe you are as dumb as you sound. you are arguing here because you enjoy arguing. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T12:49:12-04:00 233485 1106 2008-10-16T12:49:12-04:00 "If we are to have a strong democracy, we must guard it with criticism." -- Congresswoman Maxine Waters That was the quote I was trying to remember above (new Emptees rules didn't let me edit my original post). 8973 Post 2008-10-16T13:06:06-04:00 233518 1027 2008-10-16T13:06:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> ha im surprised you guys arent proud of this country if you arent, why are you hear? go live over seas with free health care and stand in line for hours to get a surgrery from a second rate doctor cousin had a hole in her heart in england, waited for surgrery under free health care system for the longest time, then the surgrery failed. came to houston, had the surgrery right away with success</blockquote> my mate went to the store to get some food and was fine. went to america- went to the store- got shot in the face coz you gus have guns. your arguments are fickle at best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W27wBf7Jw34&feature=related so you are proud of the war in iraq? proud of the torture? proud of holding people in prison ilegaly? proud of the racists? proud of the polution? proud of the dodgy arms deals?proud of the death penelty? and soooo ooon.... 8973 Post 2008-10-16T13:07:22-04:00 233523 2802 2008-10-16T13:09:29-04:00 this election seems to be an odd one. From a UK perspective, i'd like Obama to get in, especially because if McCain got elected and something happened to him, Palin would be in charge. And that is a scaaaary thought, even for someone like me who doesn't live there. What's the general consnsus over there? Is there a clear favourite or is it close? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T13:30:42-04:00 233543 6884 2008-10-16T13:31:14-04:00 This disturbs me. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T13:35:10-04:00 233548 285 2008-10-16T13:35:10-04:00 more crazy Mccain supporters, now keep in mind not all the republicans think this way and these people would have never voted for a democrat anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bky2SGrmC8g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMAX37l3Bus I'm more worried about voter suppression and purging http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7axA3dMRLI 8973 Post 2008-10-16T13:47:20-04:00 233561 3168 2008-10-16T13:47:20-04:00 sorry i was handling a crisis at work what i believe isnt hype. i believe the opposite of the obama hype in america right now haha and yes i love to argue when im at work! im bored haha and are you seriously going to tell me my cousins story is made up? ill respond to everything later, i wanna talk about that though 8973 Post 2008-10-16T14:11:41-04:00 233585 5678 2008-10-16T14:11:41-04:00 terrifying. this is exactly why he needs to win. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T14:26:25-04:00 233604 8881 2008-10-16T14:26:25-04:00 I'm sure most of you have heard of or read this Goering quote before but I had never read it in the context of the actual conversation it was said in. I think it speaks to the fear those people in Ohio are suffering with. Oh and a note to Levi. You should look up some info about the Government trying to <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/01/21/plan_for_designated_protest_space_on_dc_mall_debated/">restrict</a> one of your major foundations of those Freedoms. They're at least debating it but you shouldn't harbor any illusions about Government, before you know it they'll pass laws giving themselves raises and listening to your phone calls......oh wait.. Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars. Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country. here's the <a href="http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.asp">full</a> transcript 8973 Post 2008-10-16T14:30:54-04:00 233619 2330 2008-10-16T14:30:54-04:00 fuck it im voting for old crazy nader 8973 Post 2008-10-16T14:37:36-04:00 233634 5409 2008-10-16T14:37:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>doublej said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>jimmyheartcore said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> I cracked up listening to that last week. People are idiots. Those people didn't sound like the voting type to me, though.</blockquote> They don't know shit about shit. I'm sure they interviewed people who did know what was going on. It's a lot more entertaining to listen to dumb asses.</blockquote> It's the majority its a scary world in the midwest, ask cole, he knows! these people are nuts.</blockquote> its true. there are a lot of people like this in the midwest. my dad being one. everytime i brought up politics he starts rambling on about that 'terrorist negra' running for president. levi. your opinions are the same as a 50 year old man. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T14:40:21-04:00 233644 881 2008-10-16T14:40:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>edword said:</cite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E </blockquote> yay, ten minutes away. where all of my extended family lives. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T14:46:44-04:00 233655 5431 2008-10-16T14:46:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>discordantart said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>edword said:</cite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E </blockquote> yay, ten minutes away. where all of my extended family lives.</blockquote> Same here bro, saw this and threw up in my mouth a little. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T14:58:21-04:00 233673 8540 2008-10-16T14:58:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>discordantart said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>edword said:</cite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E </blockquote> yay, ten minutes away. where all of my extended family lives.</blockquote> This is 10 minutes from where <i>my</i> extended family lives... not so bad now that I think about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nda_OSWeyn8 8973 Post 2008-10-16T15:02:28-04:00 233681 2330 2008-10-16T15:02:35-04:00 hahaha, that amateur sketch will always get me. always. <a href="http://www.myspace.com/emceelepracon">reeeemixxx</a> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T15:04:17-04:00 233685 5431 2008-10-16T15:04:56-04:00 <blockquote><cite>cajun metal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>discordantart said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>edword said:</cite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E </blockquote> yay, ten minutes away. where all of my extended family lives.</blockquote> This is 10 minutes from where <i>my</i> extended family lives... not so bad now that I think about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nda_OSWeyn8</blockquote> hahaha one of my favorite vids...the drawing is so awesome! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T15:06:22-04:00 233690 3168 2008-10-16T15:06:22-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> Typical southern Ohio people.</blockquote> haha I like how Ohio is in the north 8973 Post 2008-10-16T15:39:26-04:00 233733 7945 2008-10-16T15:39:26-04:00 <blockquote><cite>cajun metal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>discordantart said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>edword said:</cite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E </blockquote> yay, ten minutes away. where all of my extended family lives.</blockquote> This is 10 minutes from where <i>my</i> extended family lives... not so bad now that I think about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nda_OSWeyn8</blockquote> part of that leprechaun video is in a Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza song 8973 Post 2008-10-16T15:42:05-04:00 233736 7945 2008-10-16T15:42:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>traviscollateral said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> Typical southern Ohio people.</blockquote> haha I like how Ohio is in the north</blockquote> I think he means the southern part of Ohio, Not Southern = Ohio 8973 Post 2008-10-16T15:43:16-04:00 233738 1644 2008-10-16T15:43:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Derisory Designs said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>traviscollateral said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> Typical southern Ohio people.</blockquote> haha I like how Ohio is in the north</blockquote> I think he means the southern part of Ohio, Not Southern = Ohio</blockquote> yeah. just imagine what people in the ACTUAL north think of Obama. =o 8973 Post 2008-10-16T15:50:44-04:00 233745 7945 2008-10-16T15:50:44-04:00 You guys are in deep shit... Make the right choice for the world's sake! We, french canadians, don't want a neighbor AND a Prime Minister both on the conservative side... Our dear leader has already cut out financial support for multimedia artists like me and is still planning on reviewing some laws about abortion and women's rights... Weee... 8973 Post 2008-10-16T16:11:00-04:00 233762 1608 2008-10-16T16:11:00-04:00 illinois is widwest and obama is our senator. its pretty liberal over here in the northern part. but the southern part of illinois is like that. its interesting. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T16:16:01-04:00 233774 8881 2008-10-16T16:16:01-04:00 I hate bigots like this. This stuff makes me so mad. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T16:23:40-04:00 233784 7196 2008-10-16T16:23:40-04:00 This thread turned out to be very awesome! Good job everyone. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T16:44:36-04:00 233812 1465 2008-10-16T16:44:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>discordantart said:</cite> uhhh <img src="http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/are_you_serious.jpg" /></blockquote> i miss them terribly 8973 Post 2008-10-16T16:46:28-04:00 233815 1146 2008-10-16T16:46:28-04:00 It truly amazes me how awesomely bigoted and ignorant some people are. Sad considering it's 2008. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T16:50:19-04:00 233821 7984 2008-10-16T16:50:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Darian-Hartwell said:</cite> illinois is widwest and obama is our senator. its pretty liberal over here in the northern part. but the southern part of illinois is like that. its interesting.</blockquote> I live in southern Illinois and I'm for Obama, as well as my entire family. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T17:58:38-04:00 233862 3352 2008-10-16T17:58:38-04:00 Michigan and Pro-bama '08. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T18:01:26-04:00 233867 9208 2008-10-16T18:01:26-04:00 Obama doesn't even salute the flag. Why would we want that? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T19:27:47-04:00 233918 8909 2008-10-16T19:27:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>DesignByRyan said:</cite> Obama doesn't even salute the flag. Why would we want that?</blockquote> Maybe he doesn't believe in 'god'. Now wouldn't that be CRAZY!? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T19:35:43-04:00 233921 7196 2008-10-16T19:35:43-04:00 I mean, Obama isnt even WHITE!!! OR OLD!!! i thought those were required for presidency?? i bet his half white side got him past and he probably lied about his age like the chinese in the olympics 8973 Post 2008-10-16T19:38:18-04:00 233923 5409 2008-10-16T19:38:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>DesignByRyan said:</cite> Obama doesn't even salute the flag. Why would we want that?</blockquote> wow. amazing. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T19:49:40-04:00 233928 2802 2008-10-16T19:49:40-04:00 <img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3096/2921491605_e205d5f5df.jpg" /> Have you seen <a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/37906/crawford">Crawford</a> yet, Documentary of the people in that small town where Bush likes to play cowboy. Small town America 8973 Post 2008-10-16T19:51:30-04:00 233929 506 2008-10-16T19:51:55-04:00 oh man I feel sorry for people that reallt beleive the things they say. Anyone on here from Ohio? Poor bastards!! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T19:56:07-04:00 233931 2879 2008-10-16T19:56:07-04:00 Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:03:01-04:00 233935 7411 2008-10-16T20:03:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:05:16-04:00 233936 881 2008-10-16T20:05:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:08:44-04:00 233938 2802 2008-10-16T20:08:44-04:00 so you are pro-life, pro-same sex marriage? that's an odd combination considering the typical stereotypes that are associated with either one of those. It is not politically viable to be pro-same sex marriage as a presidential candidate. It would be career suicide. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:09:33-04:00 233939 1993 2008-10-16T20:10:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>DesignByRyan said:</cite> Obama doesn't even salute the flag. Why would we want that?</blockquote> Please be in search of the TRUTH for yourself, and don't beleive everything you hear or see on tv. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:10:59-04:00 233941 7984 2008-10-16T20:10:59-04:00 As an African American, this doesn't surprise me. The idea that "prejudice" has left our nations heart is silly to believe. The reason I use the word prejudice versus racism, is the pure fact that racism needs a catalyst like power to rear its ugly head. Prejudice + power = racism. But any way..this is not new to US(minorities) . I was speaking to my father the other day asking if he thought that he would see the day that a Black man could become president, my father gave me the most honest look an answer I have ever heard from him. He told me that he didn't think my kids would see the day! I mean lets not forget civil rights laws came in the last 60 years basically. Back in the 50's people would be able to spit on me, assault me and etc. The idea that this country is ready to allow an African American run this country used to be laughable. The scary part is, that first video isn't a shock to me. What people say behind closed doors or under their breath is not as COVERT as people want to think. Prime example and probably silly example would be Xbox Live. I am sure if your a gamer you have heard racial slurs being thrown around. If some little kid only 12 years old can use some racial epithets I never heard of, who knows what their parent is saying! The fact of the matter is in a few days, we will all know if America is ready for that change. Worse case is, Obama will lose, McCain and Palin will be our new leaders for the next 4 years. However young minorities, and women will now add another "job title" to their wish lists as kids. I used to want to be an astronaut, a oceanographer, a zookeeper, a cop(trying to full-fill that now) but never felt confident to say "I want to be president of the United States". Not because the "man" held me down, not because white people won't allow it, because I never saw it. I never saw representation of my people in politics too often, except for corny ass Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson. Now it might be possible, who knows how many young men, or even young women Obama and Hilary inspired to get into politics. Enough of my rant, but just wanted to get my .06 cents in. I think in the next few days, race will finally play a factor in a campaign that has been dancing around the pink elephant in the room for the last year. The real question might be, if Obama does get elected, what will they do to protect him? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:11:18-04:00 233942 5341 2008-10-16T20:11:18-04:00 <img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/2vb3qlc.jpg" /> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:15:45-04:00 233944 6600 2008-10-16T20:15:45-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason to be for abortion and gay marriage how does abortion have anything to do with 100 years of war and how does gay marriage have to do with raping the land for oil thats a totally different topic and yea im against going to far into foreign oil also but that wasn't what i was talking about i was talking about moral issues and no in 4 years i probably won't wanna vote for ombama because so many things to me seem socialist kinda views like spreading the wealth i don't like that at all but also i think mccain won't help much either but i just think at least he doesn't have as many imoral views 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:19:38-04:00 233947 7411 2008-10-16T20:19:38-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> so you are pro-life, pro-same sex marriage? that's an odd combination considering the typical stereotypes that are associated with either one of those. It is not politically viable to be pro-same sex marriage as a presidential candidate. It would be career suicide.</blockquote> haha are you talking to me cause if you are you didn't even read my message right im pro-life and "against" same sex marriage. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:21:53-04:00 233948 7411 2008-10-16T20:21:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason to be for abortion and gay marriage how does abortion have anything to do with 100 years of war and how does gay marriage have to do with raping the land for oil thats a totally different topic and yea im against going to far into foreign oil also but that wasn't what i was talking about i was talking about moral issues and no in 4 years i probably won't wanna vote for ombama because so many things to me seem socialist kinda views like spreading the wealth i don't like that at all but also i think mccain won't help much either but i just think at least he doesn't have as many imoral views</blockquote> alright. we can do this. type it with me. O-B-A-M-A 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:23:37-04:00 233949 881 2008-10-16T20:23:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason to be for abortion and gay marriage how does abortion have anything to do with 100 years of war and how does gay marriage have to do with raping the land for oil thats a totally different topic and yea im against going to far into foreign oil also but that wasn't what i was talking about i was talking about moral issues and no in 4 years i probably won't wanna vote for ombama because so many things to me seem socialist kinda views like spreading the wealth i don't like that at all but also i think mccain won't help much either but i just think at least he doesn't have as many imoral views</blockquote> alright. we can do this. type it with me. O-B-A-M-A</blockquote> uhhg the sad thing is people like you are voting... 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:24:23-04:00 233950 7411 2008-10-16T20:24:23-04:00 i know how to spell obama. now im a bad guy? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:29:02-04:00 233951 881 2008-10-16T20:29:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i .....</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had.....</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason ......</blockquote> they compare becasue you said they were your reasons for voting against obama. how can mccain be pro-life if he is so willing to go to war? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:30:25-04:00 233952 2802 2008-10-16T20:30:45-04:00 3 WORDS <B>PROTEST IS PATRIOTISM</B> and another 3 words for you DON'T FUCKING VOTE voting implies belief in the system. the system is a sham. Until we completely reshape our society away from the greed/profit/debt/materialist culture we're trapped in, I won't be proud for humanity, let alone the nation I live in. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:31:13-04:00 233953 173 2008-10-16T20:31:27-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> so you are pro-life, pro-same sex marriage? that's an odd combination considering the typical stereotypes that are associated with either one of those. It is not politically viable to be pro-same sex marriage as a presidential candidate. It would be career suicide.</blockquote> haha are you talking to me cause if you are you didn't even read my message right im pro-life and "against" same sex marriage.</blockquote> so you're homophobic then....yes? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:31:42-04:00 233955 6884 2008-10-16T20:31:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i .....</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had.....</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason ......</blockquote> they compare becasue you said they were your reasons for voting against obama. how can maccain be pro-life if he is so willing to go to war?</blockquote> yea but your not even reading my whole post i don't want obama because he's for things that are completely imoral and the things he wants would be more government control which is not good but yea i don't want more war but thats one thing and on top of that mccain said he would be pulling the troops out as well but the difference with him is he would do it with honor and not in shame like vietnam 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:34:05-04:00 233956 7411 2008-10-16T20:34:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> so you are pro-life, pro-same sex marriage? that's an odd combination considering the typical stereotypes that are associated with either one of those. It is not politically viable to be pro-same sex marriage as a presidential candidate. It would be career suicide.</blockquote> haha are you talking to me cause if you are you didn't even read my message right im pro-life and "against" same sex marriage.</blockquote> so you're homophobic then....yes?</blockquote> no my uncle was gay he died of aids but i think that marriage should be left between a man and a women if you study other places that let this happen you see the other things it leads to 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:35:16-04:00 233957 7411 2008-10-16T20:35:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i .....</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had.....</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason ......</blockquote> they compare becasue you said they were your reasons for voting against obama. how can maccain be pro-life if he is so willing to go to war?</blockquote> yea but your not even reading my whole post i don't want obama because he's for things that are completely imoral and the things he wants would be more government control which is not good but yea i don't want more war but thats one thing and on top of that mccain said he would be pulling the troops out as well but the difference with him is he would do it with honor and not in shame like vietnam</blockquote> i cant wait for jimmy to come home and tear apart everything you just said. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:37:25-04:00 233959 881 2008-10-16T20:37:25-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> i know how to spell obama. now im a bad guy?</blockquote> haha ohh i spelt obama wrong thanks for pointing that out yea sorry i think i just get to into politics and about issues haha i thought you were telling me to just vote for obama because or something 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:37:57-04:00 233961 7411 2008-10-16T20:37:57-04:00 heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:38:00-04:00 233962 1249 2008-10-16T20:38:00-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> so you are pro-life, pro-same sex marriage? that's an odd combination considering the typical stereotypes that are associated with either one of those. It is not politically viable to be pro-same sex marriage as a presidential candidate. It would be career suicide.</blockquote> haha are you talking to me cause if you are you didn't even read my message right im pro-life and "against" same sex marriage.</blockquote> so you're homophobic then....yes?</blockquote> no my uncle was gay he died of aids but i think that marriage should be left between a man and a women if you study other places that let this happen you see the other things it leads to</blockquote> fine...but surely banning something because of what it CAN lead to is a bit over the top? Flying a plane could be VERY dangerous...it could crash from 30,000 ft in the air and kill hundreds of people...but it might not. Allowing same sex marriage doesn't change a great deal. Everyone should have the right to have some sort of official ceremony, regardless of their gender and sexual preference. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:39:05-04:00 233963 6884 2008-10-16T20:39:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i .....</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had.....</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason ......</blockquote> they compare becasue you said they were your reasons for voting against obama. how can maccain be pro-life if he is so willing to go to war?</blockquote> yea but your not even reading my whole post i don't want obama because he's for things that are completely imoral and the things he wants would be more government control which is not good but yea i don't want more war but thats one thing and on top of that mccain said he would be pulling the troops out as well but the difference with him is he would do it with honor and not in shame like vietnam</blockquote> shame? without shame? too fucking late brother- too fucking late: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0mCydl8KP0 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:39:06-04:00 233964 2802 2008-10-16T20:39:06-04:00 absolute power rules absolutly when the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. hendrix bitch !!! ftw 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:39:17-04:00 233965 1249 2008-10-16T20:39:17-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i .....</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had.....</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason ......</blockquote> they compare becasue you said they were your reasons for voting against obama. how can maccain be pro-life if he is so willing to go to war?</blockquote> yea but your not even reading my whole post i don't want obama because he's for things that are completely imoral and the things he wants would be more government control which is not good but yea i don't want more war but thats one thing and on top of that mccain said he would be pulling the troops out as well but the difference with him is he would do it with honor and not in shame like vietnam</blockquote> i cant wait for jimmy to come home and tear apart everything you just said.</blockquote> go ahead i can't wait to tear him apart the thing is i may be 17 but i do know a lot of what i was talking about and also please don't hate me cause of this its just politics really haha 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:40:23-04:00 233968 7411 2008-10-16T20:40:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:41:14-04:00 233969 7411 2008-10-16T20:41:14-04:00 its just politics?!?! are you kidding?? dude, do you see how bad things are right now? its obvious your 17.... 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:41:27-04:00 233970 1249 2008-10-16T20:41:27-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=rz7UNxnOI3M 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:42:41-04:00 233973 2802 2008-10-16T20:42:41-04:00 all im saying anymore is that when my dads best bud from russia has to say that he escaped russia to only come to the country that is the new russia he said this when he heard obama say "spread the wealth" that statement should of been the end of him 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:43:18-04:00 233975 5678 2008-10-16T20:43:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> Does this immorality you speak of stem from your religious beliefs? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:43:22-04:00 233977 3352 2008-10-16T20:43:22-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i .....</blockquote> pro-choice or 100 years of war... gay marriage or raping the land for oil... yeah good reasoning.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had.....</blockquote> you cant vote. when you can you will be voting for 4 more years of obama.</blockquote> ok god machine from what you just compared those to you obviously have no reason ......</blockquote> they compare becasue you said they were your reasons for voting against obama. how can maccain be pro-life if he is so willing to go to war?</blockquote> yea but your not even reading my whole post i don't want obama because he's for things that are completely imoral and the things he wants would be more government control which is not good but yea i don't want more war but thats one thing and on top of that mccain said he would be pulling the troops out as well but the difference with him is he would do it with honor and not in shame like vietnam</blockquote> shame? without shame? too fucking late brother- too fucking late: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0mCydl8KP0</blockquote> like iv said over again i hate war i hate it but mccain is taking them out to just like obama said he would do obviously a lot of bad has happened during the war duh but they're getting taken out and thats final now what about the tax issues gay marriage abortion things like that 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:46:04-04:00 233982 7411 2008-10-16T20:46:04-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> Does this immorality you speak of stem from your religious beliefs?</blockquote> no if you study nations as well that have gone with these ways you see which path they go down and what things happen to them its not just my religious beliefs i can tell you about that to if you want 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:46:55-04:00 233984 7411 2008-10-16T20:46:55-04:00 OJ baptized my children. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:46:58-04:00 233985 881 2008-10-16T20:46:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> Does this immorality you speak of stem from your religious beliefs?</blockquote> totally. i belive everyone has the right to make thier own choices. and RIGHT NOW, spreading the wealth makes a whoooole lot of sense. everything is fucked up, so many people are without homes , if someone has the $ to help, they should. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:47:29-04:00 233989 1249 2008-10-16T20:47:29-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> all im saying anymore is that when my dads best bud from russia has to say that he escaped russia to only come to the country that is the new russia he said this when he heard obama say "spread the wealth" that statement should of been the end of him</blockquote> yea i agree spread the wealth thats gonna kill so many businesses and when the poor that think there gonna get free money their gonna loose their jobs from big businesses not being able to hold up from the higher taxes 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:47:49-04:00 233991 7411 2008-10-16T20:47:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> Does this immorality you speak of stem from your religious beliefs?</blockquote> totally. i belive everyone has the right to make thier own choices. and RIGHT NOW, spreading the wealth makes a whoooole lot of sense. everything is fucked up, so many people are without homes , if someone has the $ to help, they should.</blockquote> should we be forced to give up our hard earned money? ha, this is communism 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:48:23-04:00 233993 5678 2008-10-16T20:48:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> Does this immorality you speak of stem from your religious beliefs?</blockquote> totally. i belive everyone has the right to make thier own choices. and RIGHT NOW, spreading the wealth makes a whoooole lot of sense. everything is fucked up, so many people are without homes , if someone has the $ to help, they should.</blockquote> should we be forced to give up our hard earned money? ha, this is communism</blockquote> you wouldnt give some $ to help people who really need it? wow, i hope you never need help from me. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:49:01-04:00 233994 1249 2008-10-16T20:49:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i dont understand why you keep throwing around the morality card. What is so moral about mccain/palin. I dont think there is anything moral about sending thousands of more troops to die, hunting wolves from helicopters, or denying people access to affordable healthcare. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:49:10-04:00 233995 1146 2008-10-16T20:49:10-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> its just politics?!?! are you kidding?? dude, do you see how bad things are right now? its obvious your 17....</blockquote> you totally didn't read that right i meant don't hate me because of what i believe and what im trying to say of course its important why do you think i study politics and what is happening its obvious you just care about downing me i was just saying don't hate me as a person because i don't want obama 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:49:24-04:00 233996 7411 2008-10-16T20:49:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i dont understand why you keep throwing around the morality card. What is so moral about mccain/palin. I dont think there is anything moral about sending thousands of more troops to die, hunting wolves from helicopters, or denying people access to affordable healthcare.</blockquote> thank buddha theres another intelligent person here. ;) 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:50:09-04:00 233997 1249 2008-10-16T20:50:09-04:00 and btw, i work at grainger. i part supplier my customers are techs, contractors, plumbers, etc.... obama completely lost all of their votes lastnight i heard all of them talking. its fucking scares me that a socialist is about to win this election. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:50:12-04:00 233998 5678 2008-10-16T20:50:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i dont understand why you keep throwing around the morality card. What is so moral about mccain/palin. I dont think there is anything moral about sending thousands of more troops to die, hunting wolves from helicopters, or denying people access to affordable healthcare.</blockquote> ok you should really stop throwing the war card because mccain is taking out the troops as well as obama so thats over with and obama wants government controlled health care look at canada and what happened to them because of that 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:50:37-04:00 234000 7411 2008-10-16T20:50:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> all im saying anymore is that when my dads best bud from russia has to say that he escaped russia to only come to the country that is the new russia he said this when he heard obama say "spread the wealth" that statement should of been the end of him</blockquote> I live in a socialist country. thank god. I would hate to live in a country that would happily watch a neighbour die because they couldnt pay for healthcare- and not only be happy to watch them die- but to be please you are in a place where this is acceptable. hows things working out for ya now? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:51:49-04:00 234003 2802 2008-10-16T20:51:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> and btw, i work at grainger. i part supplier my customers are techs, contractors, plumbers, etc.... obama completely lost all of their votes lastnight i heard all of them talking. its fucking scares me that a socialist is about to win this election.</blockquote> im excited !! YAY !!!! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:52:00-04:00 234004 1249 2008-10-16T20:52:00-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> Does this immorality you speak of stem from your religious beliefs?</blockquote> totally. i belive everyone has the right to make thier own choices. and RIGHT NOW, spreading the wealth makes a whoooole lot of sense. everything is fucked up, so many people are without homes , if someone has the $ to help, they should.</blockquote> yea it may look good like that on the outside but how will those businesses get that money back well raising their prices of course gas, groceries, etc will go up in price because they need to get that 20% back and businesses will shut down cause they can't pay for that and jobs will be loss and then the economy is even more screwed up and people are all dependent on the government 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:52:24-04:00 234005 7411 2008-10-16T20:52:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> Does this immorality you speak of stem from your religious beliefs?</blockquote> totally. i belive everyone has the right to make thier own choices. and RIGHT NOW, spreading the wealth makes a whoooole lot of sense. everything is fucked up, so many people are without homes , if someone has the $ to help, they should.</blockquote> should we be forced to give up our hard earned money? ha, this is communism</blockquote> you wouldnt give some $ to help people who really need it? wow, i hope you never need help from me.</blockquote> first i wont need help because ive earned every single dollar i have by myself. and i wont accept your help even if i needed it. i dont give in and no i wont help people...if im forced. THATS FUCKING COMMUNISM!!!! ill help if im asked, not forced. geeze. i cant believe this is a serious thread. i know i have alot of flawed views, but seriously guys? spread the wealth? say hello to communism in its finest. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:52:42-04:00 234006 5678 2008-10-16T20:52:42-04:00 i'm moving to Switzerland or Canada asap lol The UK and america are completely immoral in their actions. For ages the governments have left the corrupt businessman screw about with little consequence, and that's why this financial mess has gotten this bad. The new ridiculous news is that in the UK the defence minister wants all internet activity and phone calls to be monitered. If that happens i can promise you all right here right now that i'll move away from this place. Hopefully common sense will prevail and that won't happen 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:53:19-04:00 234007 6884 2008-10-16T20:53:19-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> Does this immorality you speak of stem from your religious beliefs?</blockquote> totally. i belive everyone has the right to make thier own choices. and RIGHT NOW, spreading the wealth makes a whoooole lot of sense. everything is fucked up, so many people are without homes , if someone has the $ to help, they should.</blockquote> should we be forced to give up our hard earned money? ha, this is communism</blockquote> you wouldnt give some $ to help people who really need it? wow, i hope you never need help from me.</blockquote> first i wont need help because ive earned every single dollar i have by myself. and i wont accept your help even if i needed it. i dont give in and no i wont help people...if im forced. THATS FUCKING COMMUNISM!!!! ill help if im asked, not forced. geeze. i cant believe this is a serious thread. i know i have alot of flawed views, but seriously guys? spread the wealth? say hello to communism in its finest.</blockquote> dude i think you and me are the only ones on this thread against spread the wealth and see how bad it is haha 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:54:05-04:00 234008 7411 2008-10-16T20:54:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i dont understand why you keep throwing around the morality card. What is so moral about mccain/palin. I dont think there is anything moral about sending thousands of more troops to die, hunting wolves from helicopters, or denying people access to affordable healthcare.</blockquote> ok you should really stop throwing the war card because mccain is taking out the troops as well as obama so thats over with and obama wants government controlled health care look at canada and what happened to them because of that</blockquote> hi, im from canada and im pretty happy that i can go into a hospital or clinic and get checked out for free. maybe get some education b4 u open your mouth. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:54:20-04:00 234009 1249 2008-10-16T20:54:20-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> all im saying anymore is that when my dads best bud from russia has to say that he escaped russia to only come to the country that is the new russia he said this when he heard obama say "spread the wealth" that statement should of been the end of him</blockquote> I live in a socialist country. thank god. I would hate to live in a country that would happily watch a neighbour die because they couldnt pay for healthcare- and not only be happy to watch them die- but to be please you are in a place where this is acceptable. hows things working out for ya now?</blockquote> why cant a person work for their money i did it 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:54:41-04:00 234010 5678 2008-10-16T20:54:41-04:00 lock this bad boy before it goes a bit too far 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:55:03-04:00 234011 6884 2008-10-16T20:55:03-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> lock this bad boy before it goes a bit too far</blockquote> no 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:56:01-04:00 234012 1146 2008-10-16T20:56:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> lock this bad boy before it goes a bit too far</blockquote> its not going to far its debating 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:56:05-04:00 234013 7411 2008-10-16T20:56:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> all im saying anymore is that when my dads best bud from russia has to say that he escaped russia to only come to the country that is the new russia he said this when he heard obama say "spread the wealth" that statement should of been the end of him</blockquote> I live in a socialist country. thank god. I would hate to live in a country that would happily watch a neighbour die because they couldnt pay for healthcare- and not only be happy to watch them die- but to be please you are in a place where this is acceptable. hows things working out for ya now?</blockquote> why cant a person work for their money i did it</blockquote> didnt your brother give you a shit ton of money to start a clothing line? how much work was that? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:56:44-04:00 234014 881 2008-10-16T20:56:44-04:00 im not mad at anybody. im just mad at politics 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:57:11-04:00 234015 5678 2008-10-16T20:57:11-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> all im saying anymore is that when my dads best bud from russia has to say that he escaped russia to only come to the country that is the new russia he said this when he heard obama say "spread the wealth" that statement should of been the end of him</blockquote> I live in a socialist country. thank god. I would hate to live in a country that would happily watch a neighbour die because they couldnt pay for healthcare- and not only be happy to watch them die- but to be please you are in a place where this is acceptable. hows things working out for ya now?</blockquote> why cant a person work for their money i did it</blockquote> didnt your brother give you a shit ton of money to start a clothing line? how much work was that?</blockquote> seriously? so your brother worked hard for your $ ? pffffffffffft 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:58:51-04:00 234018 1249 2008-10-16T20:58:51-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> lock this bad boy before it goes a bit too far</blockquote> its not going to far its debating</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> lock this bad boy before it goes a bit too far</blockquote> no</blockquote> cool...up to you all. I'm all for debating, the world depends on it. Just thought that this might get a bit close to going to far. But no worries, it's good to read what everyone thinks 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:58:57-04:00 234019 6884 2008-10-16T20:58:57-04:00 I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:59:30-04:00 234021 3352 2008-10-16T20:59:30-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> i'm moving to Switzerland or Canada asap lol The UK and america are completely immoral in their actions. For ages the governments have left the corrupt businessman screw about with little consequence, and that's why this financial mess has gotten this bad. The new ridiculous news is that in the UK the defence minister wants all internet activity and phone calls to be monitered. If that happens i can promise you all right here right now that i'll move away from this place. Hopefully common sense will prevail and that won't happen</blockquote> it wont happen- they cant convince the public to accept it here. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:59:38-04:00 234022 2802 2008-10-16T20:59:38-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> all im saying anymore is that when my dads best bud from russia has to say that he escaped russia to only come to the country that is the new russia he said this when he heard obama say "spread the wealth" that statement should of been the end of him</blockquote> I live in a socialist country. thank god. I would hate to live in a country that would happily watch a neighbour die because they couldnt pay for healthcare- and not only be happy to watch them die- but to be please you are in a place where this is acceptable. hows things working out for ya now?</blockquote> why cant a person work for their money i did it</blockquote> didnt your brother give you a shit ton of money to start a clothing line? how much work was that?</blockquote> its called, working on the line for 4 months before, selling dsigns that i made in photoshop (no designer here) and earning enough money to show him i know what im is doing once again, my brother in law, started a company from scratch in cali and then moved it to houston and sold it. thats called work. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T20:59:53-04:00 234024 5678 2008-10-16T21:00:14-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i dont understand why you keep throwing around the morality card. What is so moral about mccain/palin. I dont think there is anything moral about sending thousands of more troops to die, hunting wolves from helicopters, or denying people access to affordable healthcare.</blockquote> ok you should really stop throwing the war card because mccain is taking out the troops as well as obama so thats over with and obama wants government controlled health care look at canada and what happened to them because of that</blockquote> hi, im from canada and im pretty happy that i can go into a hospital or clinic and get checked out for free. maybe get some education b4 u open your mouth.</blockquote> dude i do get education and i here of people dieing because they don't get the care you need and the crappy medicine government buys instead of getting good medicine i have two friends from canada that moved over here tell me your opinions when you have so horrible deadly problem and you can't get the health care you need 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:00:09-04:00 234025 7411 2008-10-16T21:00:09-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:00:25-04:00 234026 1249 2008-10-16T21:00:25-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> i'm moving to Switzerland or Canada asap lol The UK and america are completely immoral in their actions. For ages the governments have left the corrupt businessman screw about with little consequence, and that's why this financial mess has gotten this bad. The new ridiculous news is that in the UK the defence minister wants all internet activity and phone calls to be monitered. If that happens i can promise you all right here right now that i'll move away from this place. Hopefully common sense will prevail and that won't happen</blockquote> it wont happen- they cant convince the public to accept it here.</blockquote> that's what i'm hoping lol just like ID Cards (i won't get one of them either...not whilst we have to pay tonnes for them ourselves) 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:01:28-04:00 234027 6884 2008-10-16T21:01:28-04:00 we need genocide... 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:02:17-04:00 234028 2870 2008-10-16T21:02:17-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:02:47-04:00 234029 7411 2008-10-16T21:02:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Killer Napkins said:</cite> we need genocide...</blockquote> haha :) 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:02:58-04:00 234030 5678 2008-10-16T21:02:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i dont understand why you keep throwing around the morality card. What is so moral about mccain/palin. I dont think there is anything moral about sending thousands of more troops to die, hunting wolves from helicopters, or denying people access to affordable healthcare.</blockquote> ok you should really stop throwing the war card because mccain is taking out the troops as well as obama so thats over with and obama wants government controlled health care look at canada and what happened to them because of that</blockquote> hi, im from canada and im pretty happy that i can go into a hospital or clinic and get checked out for free. maybe get some education b4 u open your mouth.</blockquote> dude i do get education and i here of people dieing because they don't get the care you need and the crappy medicine government buys instead of getting good medicine i have two friends from canada that moved over here tell me your opinions when you have so horrible deadly problem and you can't get the health care you need</blockquote> your education must have stopped early... either that or your spelling grammar teacher has the downs. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:02:59-04:00 234031 881 2008-10-16T21:02:59-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i dont understand why you keep throwing around the morality card. What is so moral about mccain/palin. I dont think there is anything moral about sending thousands of more troops to die, hunting wolves from helicopters, or denying people access to affordable healthcare.</blockquote> ok you should really stop throwing the war card because mccain is taking out the troops as well as obama so thats over with and obama wants government controlled health care look at canada and what happened to them because of that</blockquote> hi, im from canada and im pretty happy that i can go into a hospital or clinic and get checked out for free. maybe get some education b4 u open your mouth.</blockquote> dude i do get education and i here of people dieing because they don't get the care you need and the crappy medicine government buys instead of getting good medicine i have two friends from canada that moved over here tell me your opinions when you have so horrible deadly problem and you can't get the health care you need</blockquote> your education must have stopped early... either that or your spelling grammar teacher has the downs.</blockquote> ok so many people are talking to me im typing fast and yes my grammar is a little bad big deal at least i have facts all you've been doing is telling me about my grammar im not trying to write a formal essay or anything im trying to talk about facts maybe you should do that 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:04:19-04:00 234034 7411 2008-10-16T21:04:19-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:04:26-04:00 234035 6884 2008-10-16T21:04:26-04:00 THESE VIEWS SHOULD EFFECT BUSINESS AS NORMAL!!! so nobody stop doing business with anybody (especially me) cuz these are just views. so nobody get too mad at each other 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:04:26-04:00 234036 5678 2008-10-16T21:04:26-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Killer Napkins said:</cite> we need genocide...</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> all im saying anymore is that when my dads best bud from russia has to say that he escaped russia to only come to the country that is the new russia he said this when he heard obama say "spread the wealth" that statement should of been the end of him</blockquote> I live in a socialist country. thank god. I would hate to live in a country that would happily watch a neighbour die because they couldnt pay for healthcare- and not only be happy to watch them die- but to be please you are in a place where this is acceptable. hows things working out for ya now?</blockquote> why cant a person work for their money i did it</blockquote> didnt your brother give you a shit ton of money to start a clothing line? how much work was that?</blockquote> its called, working on the line for 4 months before, selling dsigns that i made in photoshop (no designer here) and earning enough money to show him i know what im is doing once again, my brother in law, started a company from scratch in cali and then moved it to houston and sold it. thats called work.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> +1 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:05:06-04:00 234037 1249 2008-10-16T21:05:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> THESE VIEWS SHOULD EFFECT BUSINESS AS NORMAL!!! so nobody stop doing business with anybody (especially me) cuz these are just views. so nobody get too mad at each other</blockquote> this is off topic... need any designs? heh? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:05:59-04:00 234038 2870 2008-10-16T21:05:59-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> THESE VIEWS SHOULD EFFECT BUSINESS AS NORMAL!!! so nobody stop doing business with anybody (especially me) cuz these are just views. so nobody get too mad at each other</blockquote> here here. This is kinda fun really. they're all just opinions anyways, none of us can claim to know everything anyways 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:06:10-04:00 234039 6884 2008-10-16T21:06:10-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> THESE VIEWS SHOULD EFFECT BUSINESS AS NORMAL!!! so nobody stop doing business with anybody (especially me) cuz these are just views. so nobody get too mad at each other</blockquote> sorry but after all this i wouldnt wanna be associated with you in any way. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:06:16-04:00 234040 1249 2008-10-16T21:06:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:07:41-04:00 234041 7411 2008-10-16T21:07:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> THESE VIEWS SHOULD EFFECT BUSINESS AS NORMAL!!! so nobody stop doing business with anybody (especially me) cuz these are just views. so nobody get too mad at each other</blockquote> sorry but after all this i wouldnt wanna be associated with you in any way.</blockquote> civil war! wait, what color is florida right now 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:08:34-04:00 234043 1146 2008-10-16T21:08:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> THESE VIEWS SHOULD EFFECT BUSINESS AS NORMAL!!! so nobody stop doing business with anybody (especially me) cuz these are just views. so nobody get too mad at each other</blockquote> sorry but after all this i wouldnt wanna be associated with you in any way.</blockquote> ok whatever i never said anything wrong against you i was just pointing some things out and you just said i was wrong and you gave hardly any reason and you just insult me as a person 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:09:32-04:00 234046 7411 2008-10-16T21:09:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> you think being gay leads to fucking animals? im sorry but youre an idiot. and i dont think anyones gonna disagree with me on that one and out of curiosity...what nations legally have sex with animals and think its normal and fine? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:10:50-04:00 234049 1249 2008-10-16T21:12:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> What I said above was not directed at you. It was directed towards everyone. Regarding the incest, animal sex, etc.. those things are already happening in the US. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:11:02-04:00 234050 3352 2008-10-16T21:11:42-04:00 so i'm totally playing the Tom Clancy's EndWar demo on XBL right now and it's totally sweet 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:11:16-04:00 234051 173 2008-10-16T21:11:16-04:00 Siiiiiiiiigh 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:11:45-04:00 234053 1027 2008-10-16T21:11:45-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> so i'm totally playing the Tom Clancy's EndWar demo on XBL right now and it's totally sweet</blockquote> I need to get me some After Effects asap 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:11:53-04:00 234054 1404 2008-10-16T21:11:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Killer Napkins said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> THESE VIEWS SHOULD EFFECT BUSINESS AS NORMAL!!! so nobody stop doing business with anybody (especially me) cuz these are just views. so nobody get too mad at each other</blockquote> this is off topic... need any designs? heh?</blockquote> haha not yet buddy, not yet <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> THESE VIEWS SHOULD EFFECT BUSINESS AS NORMAL!!! so nobody stop doing business with anybody (especially me) cuz these are just views. so nobody get too mad at each other</blockquote> sorry but after all this i wouldnt wanna be associated with you in any way.</blockquote> thats cool. i didnt know we were doing business anyway. i guess you arent really informed on politics. you should know that politics (views) shouldnt get in the way of making money. and ya, none of us are running for the president, and none of us actually know anything. so lets just kill each other with our views. and im not mad. just simply stated that i dont agree with 99% of emptees. BUT THATS WHY IM PROUD OF AMERICA. we can do that and not get arrested (communism....future of america) 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:12:05-04:00 234055 5678 2008-10-16T21:12:05-04:00 id vote for shantz. i might write him in on the ballet. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:12:39-04:00 234056 881 2008-10-16T21:12:39-04:00 same sex marriage leads to beastiality? driving a car leads you to being an engineer? swimming leads to being a fish? eating meat leads to cannibalism? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:13:12-04:00 234057 2802 2008-10-16T21:13:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> id vote for shantz. i might write him in on the ballet.</blockquote> I might write him in on the tap. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:13:15-04:00 234058 1404 2008-10-16T21:13:15-04:00 thevenusproject.com suuuuck your politics 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:13:44-04:00 234060 173 2008-10-16T21:13:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> so you are pro-life, pro-same sex marriage? that's an odd combination considering the typical stereotypes that are associated with either one of those. It is not politically viable to be pro-same sex marriage as a presidential candidate. It would be career suicide.</blockquote> haha are you talking to me cause if you are you didn't even read my message right im pro-life and "against" same sex marriage.</blockquote> I'm referring to the fact that you said you disagreed with Obama on his same sex marriage views when he is against same sex marriage. He did however vote against a constitutional ban on same sex marriage, but that was because it denied similar legal rights as a married couple to monogamous same-sex couples. You said you feel that you feel that it marriage should be between a man and a woman, that's fine because it is your opinion, but who are you to deny similar legal benefits to same sex partners if they are committed in the same way as marriage. As far as your belief that McCain is a good thing and your use of morality, I cannot vote for a V.P. that abused power in the office of governor. Also, someone who writes off public education as McCain does is a slap in the face to americans who cannot afford private education or to attend a charter school. McCain's education policies are a joke, his health insurance plan is terrible, the economy needs major changes either way and the republicans have not been doing a very good job managing the situation currently, and doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in them solving the problem. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:14:58-04:00 234061 1993 2008-10-16T21:14:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> same sex marriage leads to beastiality? driving a car leads you to being an engineer? swimming leads to being a fish? eating meat leads to cannibalism?</blockquote> i get all my news from foxnews as well! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:15:06-04:00 234062 881 2008-10-16T21:15:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> you think being gay leads to fucking animals? im sorry but your an idiot. and i dont think anyones gonna disagree with me on that one and out of curiosity...what nations legally have sex with animals and think its normal and fine?</blockquote> im not an idiot these are studies of how a country keeps going further and how it opens doors for people wanting other things like multiple partners and underage marriage its a book that talks about these issues and gives examples of countries and i don't have it off the top of my head but if you even gave the time of day to see why im against this i can tell you what book it is by tomorrow 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:16:14-04:00 234063 7411 2008-10-16T21:16:14-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> you think being gay leads to fucking animals? im sorry but your an idiot. and i dont think anyones gonna disagree with me on that one and out of curiosity...what nations legally have sex with animals and think its normal and fine?</blockquote> im not an idiot these are studies of how a country keeps going further and how it opens doors for people wanting other things like multiple partners and underage marriage its a book that talks about these issues and gives examples of countries and i don't have it off the top of my head but if you even gave the time of day to see why im against this i can tell you what book it is by tomorrow</blockquote> I would love to know the name of that book and who the author is. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:17:11-04:00 234064 1027 2008-10-16T21:17:11-04:00 <img src="http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/agonzalez90/Communism.png" /> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:17:12-04:00 234065 1249 2008-10-16T21:17:12-04:00 i cant wait until my state lets me marry my dog Suzie... I am in love 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:17:20-04:00 234066 2870 2008-10-16T21:17:20-04:00 i wrote a book once. anyone can write a book. and say whatever they want in it. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:18:10-04:00 234068 881 2008-10-16T21:18:10-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Killer Napkins said:</cite> i cant wait until my state lets me marry my dog Suzie... I am in love</blockquote> ha stop being funny politics dont allow it. you saw obama. he smiled and it looked like he was cutting his toes off with a spoon 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:18:17-04:00 234069 5678 2008-10-16T21:18:17-04:00 < ---comic relief? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:18:48-04:00 234070 2870 2008-10-16T21:18:56-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> i wrote a book once. anyone can write a book. and say whatever they want in it.</blockquote> but i'd worship your book anyday cole ;) 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:19:39-04:00 234072 6884 2008-10-16T21:19:39-04:00 <img src="http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/funny-pictures-unpolitical-cat-is-on-a-fence.jpg"> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:20:47-04:00 234073 3352 2008-10-16T21:20:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:20:58-04:00 234074 6965 2008-10-16T21:22:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> so you are pro-life, pro-same sex marriage? that's an odd combination considering the typical stereotypes that are associated with either one of those. It is not politically viable to be pro-same sex marriage as a presidential candidate. It would be career suicide.</blockquote> haha are you talking to me cause if you are you didn't even read my message right im pro-life and "against" same sex marriage.</blockquote> I'm referring to the fact that you said you disagreed with Obama on his same sex marriage views when he is against same sex marriage. He did however vote against a constitutional ban on same sex marriage, but that was because it denied similar legal rights as a married couple to monogamous same-sex couples. You said you feel that you feel that it marriage should be between a man and a woman, that's fine because it is your opinion, but who are you to deny similar legal benefits to same sex partners if they are committed in the same way as marriage. As far as your belief that McCain is a good thing and your use of morality, I cannot vote for a V.P. that abused power in the office of governor. Also, someone who writes off public education as McCain does is a slap in the face to americans who cannot afford private education or to attend a charter school. McCain's education policies are a joke, his health insurance plan is terrible, the economy needs major changes either way and the republicans have not been doing a very good job managing the situation currently, and doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in them solving the problem.</blockquote> i actually agree with you with mccain he doesn't have very good plans either but neither does obama if you asked me i wish we could have someone that had the good of both i don't like obama's tax plan and health care plan its almost like socialism and you talk of palin abusing her powers but do you not remember biden's plagiarize scandal i don't know the only thing i have to say about this is right now were going down hill and i think both don't have much to help out our country really to tell you the truth its just there are more reasons i want mccain than obama 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:21:19-04:00 234075 7411 2008-10-16T21:21:19-04:00 happy happy joy joy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhbvcXqtcTI 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:21:43-04:00 234076 6884 2008-10-16T21:21:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> you think being gay leads to fucking animals? im sorry but your an idiot. and i dont think anyones gonna disagree with me on that one and out of curiosity...what nations legally have sex with animals and think its normal and fine?</blockquote> im not an idiot these are studies of how a country keeps going further and how it opens doors for people wanting other things like multiple partners and underage marriage its a book that talks about these issues and gives examples of countries and i don't have it off the top of my head but if you even gave the time of day to see why im against this i can tell you what book it is by tomorrow</blockquote> was it written by an angry animal? lol 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:22:52-04:00 234079 1249 2008-10-16T21:22:52-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Kevin Doom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> you think being gay leads to fucking animals? im sorry but your an idiot. and i dont think anyones gonna disagree with me on that one and out of curiosity...what nations legally have sex with animals and think its normal and fine?</blockquote> im not an idiot these are studies of how a country keeps going further and how it opens doors for people wanting other things like multiple partners and underage marriage its a book that talks about these issues and gives examples of countries and i don't have it off the top of my head but if you even gave the time of day to see why im against this i can tell you what book it is by tomorrow</blockquote> I would love to know the name of that book and who the author is.</blockquote> okay i will give it to you tomorrow how about that you can even email me about it asking for it 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:23:26-04:00 234080 7411 2008-10-16T21:23:26-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> i wrote a book once. anyone can write a book. and say whatever they want in it.</blockquote> but i'd worship your book anyday cole ;)</blockquote> wanna come over for some punch? im having a reading about bestiality, incest, and multiple wives being a direct result of same sex marriage. its from an untitled book by an unknown author. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:23:26-04:00 234081 881 2008-10-16T21:23:26-04:00 oh snap. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:23:40-04:00 234082 1993 2008-10-16T21:23:40-04:00 one for one and electricthreads have the same teacher!!! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:24:56-04:00 234083 881 2008-10-16T21:24:56-04:00 <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:25:24-04:00 234084 1249 2008-10-16T21:25:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> i wrote a book once. anyone can write a book. and say whatever they want in it.</blockquote> but i'd worship your book anyday cole ;)</blockquote> wanna come over for some punch? im having a reading about bestiality, incest, and multiple wives being a direct result of same sex marriage. its from an untitled book by an unknown author.</blockquote> Wow...sounds like a good book. I reckon it'll talk some real sense. I can't wait :] ha 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:26:32-04:00 234087 6884 2008-10-16T21:26:32-04:00 i just wrote a book right now, its called i's am's smart's and it says that gays make straight guys gay and that everyone should go find a giraffe and get a ladder and have hot bum sex with it, thusly global warming will stop and the world will be perfect. imagine of that was all true? woah, scared myself. haha 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:27:33-04:00 234088 1249 2008-10-16T21:27:33-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> thevenusproject.com suuuuck your politics</blockquote> ROBOTS WILL SOLVE ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS! Just kidding they seem like nice people, I saw them on Zeitgeist 2. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:30:44-04:00 234089 6600 2008-10-16T21:30:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Kevin Doom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> you think being gay leads to fucking animals? im sorry but your an idiot. and i dont think anyones gonna disagree with me on that one and out of curiosity...what nations legally have sex with animals and think its normal and fine?</blockquote> im not an idiot these are studies of how a country keeps going further and how it opens doors for people wanting other things like multiple partners and underage marriage its a book that talks about these issues and gives examples of countries and i don't have it off the top of my head but if you even gave the time of day to see why im against this i can tell you what book it is by tomorrow</blockquote> I would love to know the name of that book and who the author is.</blockquote> okay i will give it to you tomorrow how about that you can even email me about it asking for it</blockquote> Will do. There doesn't seem to be an email address on your profile. Should I just use the general contact email address on your Web site? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:31:23-04:00 234090 1027 2008-10-16T21:31:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> okay i don't hate gay people i don't really my uncle was gay but before he died of aids he said of how it was a mistake and its just of matter of opening doors to other things like i said mutiple partners underage partners etc. and no i haven't watched porn like that has nothing to do with gay marriage anyways and that is one example of abortion but i don't think we as the people should have to be forced to pay for something out of our taxes and i think its disgusting how obama wants to allow it to where if a baby survives an abortion that they should be left there to die also you talk of war but what about the millions of babies that are dieing cause of abortion even though they can be sent to adoption to be given to parents that would love them yea obama is lowering taxes for the lower and middle class but higher taxes for the richer people means more expensive goods and services to make up for that 20% money loss and business will shut down not being able to hold to that strain which means jobs will be lost and then the lower and middle class will be affected by this 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:31:26-04:00 234091 7411 2008-10-16T21:31:26-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects.</blockquote> im not going to touch abortion and gay marriage because that is a morality subject and im a Christian but believe in separation of church and state but about lowering taxes.... how do see that its fair that you tax the rich more because the people who are considered middle class and poor cant make things work and end up needed money? once again, communism ok, yeah, we should help each other. but should we be forced to? i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. its like saying, since you bought 2 cars, and youre only one person, we are gonna take one and give it to the homeless man because he doesnt have one SINCE WHEN DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? i dont need facts or anything, you just need a common sense of accomplishment that you earned youre money, and you dont wanna give it away but since youre a liberal, or communist, or whatever you wanna be start giving away free designs. some people here cant afford them, but its ok right? maybe you designed it, but its ok. we want everyone to be equal right? do it, do what you believe and go ahead. make fun of me. call me greedy, i dont care. i just like keeping what i earned. sorry 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:32:11-04:00 234093 5678 2008-10-16T21:32:11-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> i just wrote a book right now, its called i's am's smart's and it says that gays make straight guys gay and that everyone should go find a giraffe and get a ladder and have hot bum sex with it, thusly global warming will stop and the world will be perfect. imagine of that was all true? woah, scared myself. haha</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> i wrote a book once. anyone can write a book. and say whatever they want in it.</blockquote> but i'd worship your book anyday cole ;)</blockquote> wanna come over for some punch? im having a reading about bestiality, incest, and multiple wives being a direct result of same sex marriage. its from an untitled book by an unknown author.</blockquote> Wow...sounds like a good book. I reckon it'll talk some real sense. I can't wait :] ha</blockquote> ok whatever make fun of me but maybe you should wait till i get the author and title and read it then you can talk to me after i just say my views and all you do is make fun i feel like im arguing with a bunch of 10 year olds and instead of going back and forth with facts you just make fun of me the only person that came back with good facts is one for one 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:33:32-04:00 234095 7411 2008-10-16T21:33:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> okay i don't hate gay people i don't really my uncle was gay but before he died of aids he said of how it was a mistake and its just of matter of opening doors to other things like i said mutiple partners underage partners etc. and no i haven't watched porn like that has nothing to do with gay marriage anyways and that is one example of abortion but i don't think we as the people should have to be forced to pay for something out of our taxes and i think its disgusting how obama wants to allow it to where if a baby survives an abortion that they should be left there to die also you talk of war but what about the millions of babies that are dieing cause of abortion even though they can be sent to adoption to be given to parents that would love them yea obama is lowering taxes for the lower and middle class but higher taxes for the richer people means more expensive goods and services to make up for that 20% money loss and business will shut down not being able to hold to that strain which means jobs will be lost and then the lower and middle class will be affected by this</blockquote> Holy shit. You're 17, how have you never watched porn. You own a computer. Do you not have one in your room? Do you not have a laptop and wireless? Jesus, my head is going to explode, 17 and no porn. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:34:14-04:00 234097 1993 2008-10-16T21:34:41-04:00 Our and You're are your friends. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:35:17-04:00 234099 3028 2008-10-16T21:35:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects.</blockquote> im not going to touch abortion and gay marriage because that is a morality subject and im a Christian but believe in separation of church and state but about lowering taxes.... how do see that its fair that you tax the rich more because the people who are considered middle class and poor cant make things work and end up needed money? once again, communism ok, yeah, we should help each other. but should we be forced to? i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. its like saying, since you bought 2 cars, and youre only one person, we are gonna take one and give it to the homeless man because he doesnt have one SINCE WHEN DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? i dont need facts or anything, you just need a common sense of accomplishment that you earned youre money, and you dont wanna give it away but since youre a liberal, or communist, or whatever you wanna be start giving away free designs. some people here cant afford them, but its ok right? maybe you designed it, but its ok. we want everyone to be equal right? do it, do what you believe and go ahead. make fun of me. call me greedy, i dont care. i just like keeping what i earned. sorry</blockquote> haha i agree with you obvisouly this was the wrong place to go into abortion and gay marriage and if you don't have a title of a book your stupid uhg but yea i agree with you on taxing issue its not a good thing you just have to look at other countries for examples 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:35:38-04:00 234100 7411 2008-10-16T21:35:38-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> okay i don't hate gay people i don't really my uncle was gay but before he died of aids he said of how it was a mistake and its just of matter of opening doors to other things like i said mutiple partners underage partners etc. and no i haven't watched porn like that has nothing to do with gay marriage anyways and that is one example of abortion but i don't think we as the people should have to be forced to pay for something out of our taxes and i think its disgusting how obama wants to allow it to where if a baby survives an abortion that they should be left there to die also you talk of war but what about the millions of babies that are dieing cause of abortion even though they can be sent to adoption to be given to parents that would love them yea obama is lowering taxes for the lower and middle class but higher taxes for the richer people means more expensive goods and services to make up for that 20% money loss and business will shut down not being able to hold to that strain which means jobs will be lost and then the lower and middle class will be affected by this</blockquote> Holy shit. You're 17, how have you never watched porn. You own a computer. Do you not have one in your room? Do you not have a laptop and wireless? Jesus, my head is going to explode, 17 and no porn.</blockquote> haha no i don't have a laptop haha only a family computer i can't afford one myself and the family computer has everything i need haha :P 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:36:59-04:00 234101 7411 2008-10-16T21:36:59-04:00 have you guys figured out you're angry about the same thing? like, it doesn't matter? any of it, cuz either way, you're all a bunch of douchebags who think that the way they think is the RIGHT way. No one is actually lowering taxes, or raising taxes. It's all part of the plan, and why is it so important anyways? at the end of the day you're still a slave to debt. I'm quitting at trying to be a part of this society til it can grow the fuck up. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:37:21-04:00 234102 173 2008-10-16T21:37:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects.</blockquote> im not going to touch abortion and gay marriage because that is a morality subject and im a Christian but believe in separation of church and state but about lowering taxes.... how do see that its fair that you tax the rich more because the people who are considered middle class and poor cant make things work and end up needed money? once again, communism ok, yeah, we should help each other. but should we be forced to? i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. its like saying, since you bought 2 cars, and youre only one person, we are gonna take one and give it to the homeless man because he doesnt have one SINCE WHEN DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? i dont need facts or anything, you just need a common sense of accomplishment that you earned youre money, and you dont wanna give it away but since youre a liberal, or communist, or whatever you wanna be start giving away free designs. some people here cant afford them, but its ok right? maybe you designed it, but its ok. we want everyone to be equal right? do it, do what you believe and go ahead. make fun of me. call me greedy, i dont care. i just like keeping what i earned. sorry</blockquote> haha i agree with you obvisouly this was the wrong place to go into abortion and gay marriage and if you don't have a title of a book your stupid uhg but yea i agree with you on taxing issue its not a good thing you just have to look at other countries for examples</blockquote> good. im 21, and dont know anything, ill be the first to admit it, but its sad that a 17 year can agree with the destruction of communism and a bunch of older men, who have seen the destruction of communism, still agree with it 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:37:29-04:00 234103 5678 2008-10-16T21:37:29-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects.</blockquote> im not going to touch abortion and gay marriage because that is a morality subject and im a Christian but believe in separation of church and state but about lowering taxes.... how do see that its fair that you tax the rich more because the people who are considered middle class and poor cant make things work and end up needed money? once again, communism ok, yeah, we should help each other. but should we be forced to? i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. its like saying, since you bought 2 cars, and youre only one person, we are gonna take one and give it to the homeless man because he doesnt have one SINCE WHEN DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? i dont need facts or anything, you just need a common sense of accomplishment that you earned youre money, and you dont wanna give it away but since youre a liberal, or communist, or whatever you wanna be start giving away free designs. some people here cant afford them, but its ok right? maybe you designed it, but its ok. we want everyone to be equal right? do it, do what you believe and go ahead. make fun of me. call me greedy, i dont care. i just like keeping what i earned. sorry</blockquote> dude, that disabled part, shows that you are a complete and utter piece of shit, seriously, fuck your life. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:38:38-04:00 234106 173 2008-10-16T21:38:38-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> i just wrote a book right now, its called i's am's smart's and it says that gays make straight guys gay and that everyone should go find a giraffe and get a ladder and have hot bum sex with it, thusly global warming will stop and the world will be perfect. imagine of that was all true? woah, scared myself. haha</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> i wrote a book once. anyone can write a book. and say whatever they want in it.</blockquote> but i'd worship your book anyday cole ;)</blockquote> wanna come over for some punch? im having a reading about bestiality, incest, and multiple wives being a direct result of same sex marriage. its from an untitled book by an unknown author.</blockquote> Wow...sounds like a good book. I reckon it'll talk some real sense. I can't wait :] ha</blockquote> ok whatever make fun of me but maybe you should wait till i get the author and title and read it then you can talk to me after i just say my views and all you do is make fun i feel like im arguing with a bunch of 10 year olds and instead of going back and forth with facts you just make fun of me the only person that came back with good facts is one for one</blockquote> A book by a conservative christian politician will not count as a good fact. About taxes, lowering taxes for the middle class will put more money back into consumers pockets and will be able then reestablish some strength in the economy because they will have more money to spend. If anything is true about Americans, we are consumers. Giving tax breaks to large companies may alleviate some closures, but it will only delay the inevitable if the middle class, which is a large portion of the consuming americans, does not have money to put into the economy. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:39:45-04:00 234107 1993 2008-10-16T21:39:45-04:00 A system with different tax brackets is not Communism. People have been throwing that word around in this thread and I'm surprised that no one has called anyone out on it yet. Currently, our tax system is such that the rich pay more of a percentage of their income than poorer people, it's a sliding scale. Would you say that we currently have a Communist system? In a perfect world, everyone would be taxed the same percentage. Wait, I guess in a perfect world there would be no taxes :) <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. </blockquote> No, it is not your fault. You pay taxes for roads you may never use. You pay taxes to employ police officers you may never need. You pay taxes to build schools you may never go to. You pay taxes to insure that if you are unlucky enough to be stricken with a disability, that you aren't throw aside like garbage. You are paying taxes for a functioning society. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:40:17-04:00 234108 1027 2008-10-16T21:40:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> good. im 21, and dont know anything, ill be the first to admit it, but its sad that a 17 year can agree with the destruction of communism and a bunch of older men, who have seen the destruction of communism, still agree with it</blockquote> Almost everything that you type is completely and utterly ridiculous. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:40:27-04:00 234109 3352 2008-10-16T21:40:27-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> have you guys figured out you're angry about the same thing? like, it doesn't matter? any of it, cuz either way, you're all a bunch of douchebags who think that the way they think is the RIGHT way. No one is actually lowering taxes, or raising taxes. It's all part of the plan, and why is it so important anyways? at the end of the day you're still a slave to debt. I'm quitting at trying to be a part of this society til it can grow the fuck up.</blockquote> i have no debt. i dont borrow. i have borrowed my brothers money because i dont have to pay it back. it was a gift because he saw potential. and i already made his money back and gave it back anyway lets see a welfare person pay back the money they received? oh wait, they cant because they didnt do shit with it but buy beer. or just get by.....what a valid excuse. "we need it to get by because i have 5 kids and my husband left".....well fucking step up and make a life for your kids ha im glad my grandfather died for this country because it would break his heart to see that his country is a communist nation after he died trying to prevent that 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:40:55-04:00 234110 5678 2008-10-16T21:40:55-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> have you guys figured out you're angry about the same thing? like, it doesn't matter? any of it, cuz either way, you're all a bunch of douchebags who think that the way they think is the RIGHT way. No one is actually lowering taxes, or raising taxes. It's all part of the plan, and why is it so important anyways? at the end of the day you're still a slave to debt. I'm quitting at trying to be a part of this society til it can grow the fuck up.</blockquote> haha thats the reason im so into politics because people are so sedated and don't really care they just want whatever happens and thats fine maybe you should take a look at this <a href="http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/democracy-stages-big-government-dependence-political-speeches-alexander-fraser-tytler/">link</a> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:41:22-04:00 234111 7411 2008-10-16T21:41:22-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> have you guys figured out you're angry about the same thing? like, it doesn't matter? any of it, cuz either way, you're all a bunch of douchebags who think that the way they think is the RIGHT way. No one is actually lowering taxes, or raising taxes. It's all part of the plan, and why is it so important anyways? at the end of the day you're still a slave to debt. I'm quitting at trying to be a part of this society til it can grow the fuck up.</blockquote> i have no debt. i dont borrow. i have borrowed my brothers money because i dont have to pay it back. it was a gift because he saw potential. and i already made his money back and gave it back anyway lets see a welfare person pay back the money they received? oh wait, they cant because they didnt do shit with it but buy beer. or just get by.....what a valid excuse. "we need it to get by because i have 5 kids and my husband left".....well fucking step up and make a life for your kids ha im glad my grandfather died for this country because it would break his heart to see that his country is a communist nation after he died trying to prevent that</blockquote> you're a slave to the system, your desire for money and profit automatically enrolls you into the debt system. every penny you have has debt accrued on it. A government should take care of it's people. You've obviously never been poor. You're completely ignorant about how the world works. Capitalism is the root of evil. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:43:37-04:00 234114 173 2008-10-16T21:43:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects.</blockquote> im not going to touch abortion and gay marriage because that is a morality subject and im a Christian but believe in separation of church and state but about lowering taxes.... how do see that its fair that you tax the rich more because the people who are considered middle class and poor cant make things work and end up needed money? once again, communism ok, yeah, we should help each other. but should we be forced to? i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. its like saying, since you bought 2 cars, and youre only one person, we are gonna take one and give it to the homeless man because he doesnt have one SINCE WHEN DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? i dont need facts or anything, you just need a common sense of accomplishment that you earned youre money, and you dont wanna give it away but since youre a liberal, or communist, or whatever you wanna be start giving away free designs. some people here cant afford them, but its ok right? maybe you designed it, but its ok. we want everyone to be equal right? do it, do what you believe and go ahead. make fun of me. call me greedy, i dont care. i just like keeping what i earned. sorry</blockquote> haha i agree with you obvisouly this was the wrong place to go into abortion and gay marriage and if you don't have a title of a book your stupid uhg but yea i agree with you on taxing issue its not a good thing you just have to look at other countries for examples</blockquote> good. im 21, and dont know anything, ill be the first to admit it, but its sad that a 17 year can agree with the destruction of communism and a bunch of older men, who have seen the destruction of communism, still agree with it</blockquote> yea thanks for agreeing haha but yea i don't know why i know a lot about politics or why i even care but when it comes to election time i seem to study it a lot and issues otherwise i wouldn't of said anything and it sucks because i like the emptees community and i don't wanna be seen as a douchebag its just for some reason when it comes to these issues i get really fired up 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:43:49-04:00 234115 7411 2008-10-16T21:43:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> have you guys figured out you're angry about the same thing? like, it doesn't matter? any of it, cuz either way, you're all a bunch of douchebags who think that the way they think is the RIGHT way. No one is actually lowering taxes, or raising taxes. It's all part of the plan, and why is it so important anyways? at the end of the day you're still a slave to debt. I'm quitting at trying to be a part of this society til it can grow the fuck up.</blockquote> You're a fucking political hippy. I'm not happy with the world so I'm just going to go detach myself from it. How about instead of showering in patchouli you get involved even at the local level. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:44:51-04:00 234116 1993 2008-10-16T21:44:51-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects.</blockquote> im not going to touch abortion and gay marriage because that is a morality subject and im a Christian but believe in separation of church and state but about lowering taxes.... how do see that its fair that you tax the rich more because the people who are considered middle class and poor cant make things work and end up needed money? once again, communism ok, yeah, we should help each other. but should we be forced to? i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. its like saying, since you bought 2 cars, and youre only one person, we are gonna take one and give it to the homeless man because he doesnt have one SINCE WHEN DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? i dont need facts or anything, you just need a common sense of accomplishment that you earned youre money, and you dont wanna give it away but since youre a liberal, or communist, or whatever you wanna be start giving away free designs. some people here cant afford them, but its ok right? maybe you designed it, but its ok. we want everyone to be equal right? do it, do what you believe and go ahead. make fun of me. call me greedy, i dont care. i just like keeping what i earned. sorry</blockquote> dude, that disabled part, shows that you are a complete and utter piece of shit, seriously, fuck your life.</blockquote> again. did i say i wouldnt help them? no. i said i wont be forced to. but tell me, is it my fault that they are disabled? should i be forced to help them. thats all im asking. but since im not a artist, come design for me for free. its the same concept. so fuck my life because i dont want to be forced to help someone he has misfortune? seriously. i will help them, and i have. i just wont be forced to do. i wont become a communist <blockquote><cite>Kevin Doom said:</cite> A system with different tax brackets is not Communism. People have been throwing that word around in this thread and I'm surprised that no one has called anyone out on it yet. Currently, our tax system is such that the rich pay more of a percentage of their income than poorer people, it's a sliding scale. Would you say that we currently have a Communist system? In a perfect world, everyone would be taxed the same percentage. Wait, I guess in a perfect world there would be no taxes :) <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. </blockquote> No, it is not your fault. You pay taxes for roads you may never use. You pay taxes to employ police officers you may never need. You pay taxes to build schools you may never go to. You pay taxes to insure that if you are unlucky enough to be stricken with a disability, that you aren't throw aside like garbage. You are paying taxes for a functioning society.</blockquote> i never said the system is communist now. i said that taxing the rich to give to the poor is communist. go back and read it 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:45:02-04:00 234117 5678 2008-10-16T21:45:02-04:00 There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you. arguing over which one is going to president is like arguing if you want a Granny Smith Apple or a Washington Apple, same thing, one's just a bit more tangy. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:45:08-04:00 234118 173 2008-10-16T21:46:08-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> have you guys figured out you're angry about the same thing? like, it doesn't matter? any of it, cuz either way, you're all a bunch of douchebags who think that the way they think is the RIGHT way. No one is actually lowering taxes, or raising taxes. It's all part of the plan, and why is it so important anyways? at the end of the day you're still a slave to debt. I'm quitting at trying to be a part of this society til it can grow the fuck up.</blockquote> i have no debt. i dont borrow. i have borrowed my brothers money because i dont have to pay it back. it was a gift because he saw potential. and i already made his money back and gave it back anyway lets see a welfare person pay back the money they received? oh wait, they cant because they didnt do shit with it but buy beer. or just get by.....what a valid excuse. "we need it to get by because i have 5 kids and my husband left".....well fucking step up and make a life for your kids ha im glad my grandfather died for this country because it would break his heart to see that his country is a communist nation after he died trying to prevent that</blockquote> you're a slave to the system, your desire for money and profit automatically enrolls you into the debt system. every penny you have has debt accrued on it. A government should take care of it's people. You've obviously never been poor. You're completely ignorant about how the world works. Capitalism is the root of evil.</blockquote> did you read my link by the way but yea iv never been poor but iv had family thats been poor and what you said shows where our country is going wanting the government to take care of our every need 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:45:42-04:00 234122 7411 2008-10-16T21:45:42-04:00 in order to study you need to study both sides. you seem to only read conservative propaganda and repeat what you hear on fox news. you really dont know anything. terrorist fist bump ftw! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:47:15-04:00 234123 881 2008-10-16T21:47:15-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you.</blockquote> haha dude wooow seriously haha is your plan to just hide in a cave and run away or something? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:47:30-04:00 234124 7411 2008-10-16T21:47:30-04:00 i don't understand why 4% of the world controls 99% of the money. and why they shouldn't help. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:47:54-04:00 234125 173 2008-10-16T21:47:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you. arguing over which one is going to president is like arguing if you want a Granny Smith Apple or a Washington Apple, same thing, one's just a bit more tangy.</blockquote> FACT: the USA is a Corporatocracy. FACT: I have two webbed toes on each foot. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:48:29-04:00 234127 6600 2008-10-16T21:48:29-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects.</blockquote> im not going to touch abortion and gay marriage because that is a morality subject and im a Christian but believe in separation of church and state but about lowering taxes.... how do see that its fair that you tax the rich more because the people who are considered middle class and poor cant make things work and end up needed money? once again, communism ok, yeah, we should help each other. but should we be forced to? i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. its like saying, since you bought 2 cars, and youre only one person, we are gonna take one and give it to the homeless man because he doesnt have one SINCE WHEN DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? i dont need facts or anything, you just need a common sense of accomplishment that you earned youre money, and you dont wanna give it away but since youre a liberal, or communist, or whatever you wanna be start giving away free designs. some people here cant afford them, but its ok right? maybe you designed it, but its ok. we want everyone to be equal right? do it, do what you believe and go ahead. make fun of me. call me greedy, i dont care. i just like keeping what i earned. sorry</blockquote> dude, that disabled part, shows that you are a complete and utter piece of shit, seriously, fuck your life.</blockquote> again. did i say i wouldnt help them? no. i said i wont be forced to. but tell me, is it my fault that they are disabled? should i be forced to help them. thats all im asking. but since im not a artist, come design for me for free. its the same concept. so fuck my life because i dont want to be forced to help someone he has misfortune? seriously. i will help them, and i have. i just wont be forced to do. i wont become a communist <blockquote><cite>Kevin Doom said:</cite> A system with different tax brackets is not Communism. People have been throwing that word around in this thread and I'm surprised that no one has called anyone out on it yet. Currently, our tax system is such that the rich pay more of a percentage of their income than poorer people, it's a sliding scale. Would you say that we currently have a Communist system? In a perfect world, everyone would be taxed the same percentage. Wait, I guess in a perfect world there would be no taxes :) <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. </blockquote> No, it is not your fault. You pay taxes for roads you may never use. You pay taxes to employ police officers you may never need. You pay taxes to build schools you may never go to. You pay taxes to insure that if you are unlucky enough to be stricken with a disability, that you aren't throw aside like garbage. You are paying taxes for a functioning society.</blockquote> i never said the system is communist now. i said that taxing the rich to give to the poor is communist. go back and read it</blockquote> You the most selfish christian I've ever heard of. Also, it may not be your fault they are disabled, but then again, it may not be theirs either. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:48:55-04:00 234129 1993 2008-10-16T21:48:55-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you.</blockquote> that i agree with. remember i said i dont believe in government? and ive never been poor? ha. im glad you grew up with my in Louisiana. and im glad you know that my dad worked at sweeping the floors of the plants at dow chemical. and now he is the vice president of logistics so yeah, im pretty sure anyone could work for their income ha dont fucking tell me that somebody deserves my money because they couldnt afford to go to college. my dad couldnt afford it and he didnt. but im sitting nice. and im not ashamed. he worked for it 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:49:34-04:00 234131 5678 2008-10-16T21:49:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> in order to study you need to study both sides. you seem to only read conservative propaganda and repeat what you hear on fox news. you really dont know anything. terrorist fist bump ftw!</blockquote> are you talking to me because i do study both sides thats why i know about both sides issues i don't listen to fox and cnn because i know they're unfair with what they say i watched what both the republicans and democrats have to say 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:49:35-04:00 234132 7411 2008-10-16T21:49:35-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> in order to study you need to study both sides. you seem to only read conservative propaganda and repeat what you hear on fox news. you really dont know anything. terrorist fist bump ftw!</blockquote> Tote fist bump! <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you.</blockquote> haha dude wooow seriously haha is your plan to just hide in a cave and run away or something?</blockquote> possibly, considering finding a place to live off the grid. www.crimethinc.com 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:50:11-04:00 234133 173 2008-10-16T21:50:11-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> in order to study you need to study both sides. you seem to only read conservative propaganda and repeat what you hear on fox news. you really dont know anything. terrorist fist bump ftw!</blockquote> Tote fist bump! <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you.</blockquote> haha dude wooow seriously haha is your plan to just hide in a cave and run away or something?</blockquote> possibly, considering finding a place to live off the grid. www.crimethinc.com</blockquote> Move here to the big island. There's a large off grid community. They may be pretty crunchy though. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:51:42-04:00 234135 1993 2008-10-16T21:51:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you.</blockquote> that i agree with. remember i said i dont believe in government? and ive never been poor? ha. im glad you grew up with my in Louisiana. and im glad you know that my dad worked at sweeping the floors of the plants at dow chemical. and now he is the vice president of logistics so yeah, im pretty sure anyone could work for their income ha dont fucking tell me that somebody deserves my money because they couldnt afford to go to college. my dad couldnt afford it and he didnt. but im sitting nice. and im not ashamed. he worked for it</blockquote> i can't believe people are still saying your selfish and using guilt when obviously you know what your talking about i can bet nobody here makes over $250,000 a year thats why they agree with obama's tax plan even though it'll probably kill a ton of businesses right on the line of that number 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:51:47-04:00 234137 7411 2008-10-16T21:51:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Buck Nasty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you. arguing over which one is going to president is like arguing if you want a Granny Smith Apple or a Washington Apple, same thing, one's just a bit more tangy.</blockquote> FACT: the USA is a Corporatocracy. FACT: I have two webbed toes on each foot.</blockquote> LIES! I ALSO HAVE WEBBED TOES! We're obviously evolved to understand the future of the world! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:51:52-04:00 234138 173 2008-10-16T21:51:52-04:00 <img src="http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc274/tylerc83/arrrggh.jpg"> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:52:04-04:00 234140 3352 2008-10-16T21:52:04-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> i don't understand why 4% of the world controls 99% of the money. and why they shouldn't help.</blockquote> Is that the right math? Do you have a citation for that statistic because I would really be interested in the math. I know 1% controls 40% of the world's Assets according to the U.N. at least. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006/dec/06/business.internationalnews">Link</a> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:53:14-04:00 234145 6600 2008-10-16T21:53:14-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> Idk the main reason im not voting for ombama is his views on abortion, same sex marriage, and his tax plan and to tell you the truth i think both parties suck a lot but i guess if i had to choose i would choose mccain but yea seeing from this video most people don't know what they're talking about its kinda annoying cause im 17 and i know way more than the adults i get in debates with about different issues</blockquote> This is what is wrong with are youth. They believe everything they hear and what they are raised up to believe. Now before anyone says something about me blaming are youth or not knowing the youth or anything else someone can think of. I am 18 years old. We are probably in the same grade. What is wrong with gay people? What have they ever done to you? I cant thing of anything wrong with gay people. They are just not like you. I bet you have watched porn with 2 females in it, am i right? That is the same thing but I bet you weren't turning your way. abortion should be a womens choice. How can you as a man think you can make the choice for a women to keep there baby. Lets just say a 17 year old got raped. She shouldn't be able to make that choice. That is a choice that can affect her whole life. what if she cant go to college cause of that baby, she can't finish high school? Should are government make that choice? Correct me if i am wrong, isn't obama the one that wants to lower the tax for the middle and lower classes?</blockquote> WOO HOO !!! another smart person. i agree man, waaaay up there i was mentioning the same subjects.</blockquote> im not going to touch abortion and gay marriage because that is a morality subject and im a Christian but believe in separation of church and state but about lowering taxes.... how do see that its fair that you tax the rich more because the people who are considered middle class and poor cant make things work and end up needed money? once again, communism ok, yeah, we should help each other. but should we be forced to? i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. its like saying, since you bought 2 cars, and youre only one person, we are gonna take one and give it to the homeless man because he doesnt have one SINCE WHEN DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? i dont need facts or anything, you just need a common sense of accomplishment that you earned youre money, and you dont wanna give it away but since youre a liberal, or communist, or whatever you wanna be start giving away free designs. some people here cant afford them, but its ok right? maybe you designed it, but its ok. we want everyone to be equal right? do it, do what you believe and go ahead. make fun of me. call me greedy, i dont care. i just like keeping what i earned. sorry</blockquote> dude, that disabled part, shows that you are a complete and utter piece of shit, seriously, fuck your life.</blockquote> again. did i say i wouldnt help them? no. i said i wont be forced to. but tell me, is it my fault that they are disabled? should i be forced to help them. thats all im asking. but since im not a artist, come design for me for free. its the same concept. so fuck my life because i dont want to be forced to help someone he has misfortune? seriously. i will help them, and i have. i just wont be forced to do. i wont become a communist <blockquote><cite>Kevin Doom said:</cite> A system with different tax brackets is not Communism. People have been throwing that word around in this thread and I'm surprised that no one has called anyone out on it yet. Currently, our tax system is such that the rich pay more of a percentage of their income than poorer people, it's a sliding scale. Would you say that we currently have a Communist system? In a perfect world, everyone would be taxed the same percentage. Wait, I guess in a perfect world there would be no taxes :) <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> i far one, will stop abiding laws, and do what i have to avoid taxes because im sorry i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no. </blockquote> No, it is not your fault. You pay taxes for roads you may never use. You pay taxes to employ police officers you may never need. You pay taxes to build schools you may never go to. You pay taxes to insure that if you are unlucky enough to be stricken with a disability, that you aren't throw aside like garbage. You are paying taxes for a functioning society.</blockquote> i never said the system is communist now. i said that taxing the rich to give to the poor is communist. go back and read it</blockquote> You the most selfish christian I've ever heard of. Also, it may not be your fault they are disabled, but then again, it may not be theirs either.</blockquote> once again. READ WHAT IM SAYING! i do help them. and will help them. i donate. but i wont be forced to stop just saying things SO EVERYBODY GIVE YOUR DESIGNS AWAY, SOME CANT AFFORD IT. so everybody is gonna do it right? because its right? ha i would love to see somebody do that here BTW, ILL BE BACK LATER. IM GOING SEE THE LADY AT HERE HOUSE im going help her study ha imagine that. im helping somebody. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:53:15-04:00 234146 5678 2008-10-16T21:53:15-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> <img src="http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc274/tylerc83/arrrggh.jpg"></blockquote> i just lol'd, solid 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:53:27-04:00 234148 173 2008-10-16T21:53:27-04:00 this is like explaining colors to the blind. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:54:52-04:00 234150 881 2008-10-16T21:54:52-04:00 haha wow maybe debating on emptees isn't a good thing haha look what happened hahaha 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:55:05-04:00 234151 7411 2008-10-16T21:55:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Buck Nasty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> i don't understand why 4% of the world controls 99% of the money. and why they shouldn't help.</blockquote> Is that the right math? Do you have a citation for that statistic because I would really be interested in the math. I know 1% controls 40% of the world's Assets according to the U.N. at least. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006/dec/06/business.internationalnews">Link</a></blockquote> i dunno, it's close, it's either 3.8 or something controls 97% either way, it's a ridiculous calculation, it's utter nonsense. fuck money, fuck politics, seriously, i need a fucking latte enema. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:56:09-04:00 234152 173 2008-10-16T21:56:09-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> this is like explaining colors to the blind, deaf, and dumb.</blockquote> Fixed that for you. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:56:42-04:00 234153 6600 2008-10-16T21:56:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Buck Nasty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> this is like explaining colors to the blind, deaf, and dumb.</blockquote> Fixed that for you.</blockquote> you just passed your first test in becoming our new intern. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T21:57:52-04:00 234156 881 2008-10-16T21:57:52-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you.</blockquote> that i agree with. remember i said i dont believe in government? and ive never been poor? ha. im glad you grew up with my in Louisiana. and im glad you know that my dad worked at sweeping the floors of the plants at dow chemical. and now he is the vice president of logistics so yeah, im pretty sure anyone could work for their income ha dont fucking tell me that somebody deserves my money because they couldnt afford to go to college. my dad couldnt afford it and he didnt. but im sitting nice. and im not ashamed. he worked for it</blockquote> i can't believe people are still saying your selfish and using guilt when obviously you know what your talking about i can bet nobody here makes over $250,000 a year thats why they agree with obama's tax plan even though it'll probably kill a ton of businesses right on the line of that number</blockquote> There's an exception rule for small businesses in Obama's tax plan that he has outlined. Levi, go pave your road. Pay for your children's education, go back and have your dad pay for your public education. You don't sound like someone who is democratic, while you call people communists, you sound more like an anarchist. You may think you are a capitalist, but you want to abandon a system that made you what you are. Even indirectly, you have received benefits your entire life from taxes. Taxes that your parents paid, taxes that you'll pay and appreciate if you ever have kids. There are so many things that are morally wrong with your arguments, I don't even know where to begin. Seriously, take a minute and think of things you use every day/week that are paid for, at least partially, by taxes. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:01:04-04:00 234162 1993 2008-10-16T22:01:04-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i know this was waaaay back there but i feel the need to address it because no one else did. you keep calling things "immoral" but you need to understand that these are YOUR morals, not mine, and not those of millions of people in this country. on the issue of abortion for example: no one is is trying to make legislation that forces you to abort children or even recommends it. you, i take it, are some form of christian so you believe abortion is immoral, thats fine. what i don't understand is why you give a shit about what I do. you aren't going to be judged for my "sins". i do not believe in any religious dogma, but i would NEVER support any laws that inhibited your freedom. thats why you are being selfish. you want other people to live based on your "morals" wether they agree with you or not. dick. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:01:14-04:00 234163 1106 2008-10-16T22:01:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Buck Nasty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> this is like explaining colors to the blind, deaf, and dumb.</blockquote> Fixed that for you.</blockquote> you just passed your first test in becoming our new intern.</blockquote> sweet I didn't even know I was being tested for a position I didn't apply for. I wonder how many jobs I have that I don't know about yet? 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:01:50-04:00 234164 6600 2008-10-16T22:01:50-04:00 jesus said 'capitalism is a good thing, do not give your money to help people less fortunate than you- keep it dude- you earned it- fuck those spazo's'. Go to war and shoot people coz that our oil under there land. P.s. Nikes rule poor people drool'. good ol' jesus and his McDonalds adverts and his Coke sponsorship. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:02:01-04:00 234165 2802 2008-10-16T22:02:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> this is like explaining colors to the blind.</blockquote> oh tim. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:02:07-04:00 234166 1993 2008-10-16T22:02:07-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> heres exactly how it is. abortions will happen regardless. gay dudes will get married regardless. mccain = end of the fucking world. obama = a glimpse of hope. get your heads straight , if we let white power piece of shits rule america we all will die.</blockquote> yea but so you would rather support something that is completely immoral and wrong and you have no reasons to why mccain is doom and obama is hope</blockquote> i know this was waaaay back there but i feel the need to address it because no one else did. you keep calling things "immoral" but you need to understand that these are YOUR morals, not mine, and not those of millions of people in this country. on the issue of abortion for example: no one is is trying to make legislation that forces you to abort children or even recommends it. you, i take it, are some form of christian so you believe abortion is immoral, thats fine. what i don't understand is why you give a shit about what I do. you aren't going to be judged for my "sins". i do not believe in any religious dogma, but i would NEVER support any laws that inhibited your freedom. thats why you are being selfish. you want other people to live based on your "morals" wether they agree with you or not. dick.</blockquote> haha that was way back there but ok the thing that bothers me the most is that young teens can get abortion without parental consent in which means they are using our tax money which means that they are forcing it on us to be fair if anything the parents or the mother should pay to kill a baby i could get into why abortion is wrong blablabla but im kinda tired of debating haha i wanna just go back to drawing :P 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:05:44-04:00 234171 7411 2008-10-16T22:05:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> jesus said 'capitalism is a good thing, do not give your money to help people less fortunate than you- keep it dude- you earned it- fuck those spazo's'. Go to war and shoot people coz that our oil under there land. P.s. Nikes rule poor people drool'. good ol' jesus and his McDonalds adverts and his Coke sponsorship.</blockquote> <img src="http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/brianh81/republican_jesus2.jpg" /> I studied Biblical Studies at a very conservative Christian college for three years and I realized that most Christians in America know nothing about real Christianity. Jesus was a socialist progressive hippie who denounced the Jewish patriarchal system of the time. He believed in social justice at all costs. He said to give up everything you owned to please God. The first Christians were ancient Communists who literally sold everything they owned and gave the money to the poor. They formed communes and lived cooperatively waiting for Jesus' second coming. Real Christianity died out in the 300's AD when Rome made Christianity the national religion and that started the ball rolling of the whole Roman Catholic Church failure. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:08:03-04:00 234174 6600 2008-10-16T22:08:03-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Buck Nasty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> jesus said 'capitalism is a good thing, do not give your money to help people less fortunate than you- keep it dude- you earned it- fuck those spazo's'. Go to war and shoot people coz that our oil under there land. P.s. Nikes rule poor people drool'. good ol' jesus and his McDonalds adverts and his Coke sponsorship.</blockquote> <img src="http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/brianh81/republican_jesus2.jpg" /> I studied Biblical Studies at a very conservative Christian college for three years and I realized that most Christians in America know nothing about real Christianity. Jesus was a socialist progressive hippie who denounced the Jewish patriarchal system of the time. He believed in social justice at all costs. He said to give up everything you owned to please God. The first Christians were ancient Communists who literally sold everything they owned and gave the money to the poor. They formed communes and lived cooperatively waiting for Jesus' second coming. Real Christianity died out in the 300's AD when Rome made Christianity the national religion and that started the ball rolling of the whole Roman Catholic Church failure.</blockquote> whoa, i just read something really insightful in this thread 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:09:41-04:00 234178 1146 2008-10-16T22:09:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Buck Nasty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> jesus said 'capitalism is a good thing, do not give your money to help people less fortunate than you- keep it dude- you earned it- fuck those spazo's'. Go to war and shoot people coz that our oil under there land. P.s. Nikes rule poor people drool'. good ol' jesus and his McDonalds adverts and his Coke sponsorship.</blockquote> <img src="http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/brianh81/republican_jesus2.jpg" /> I studied Biblical Studies at a very conservative Christian college for three years and I realized that most Christians in America know nothing about real Christianity. Jesus was a socialist progressive hippie who denounced the Jewish patriarchal system of the time. He believed in social justice at all costs. He said to give up everything you owned to please God. The first Christians were ancient Communists who literally sold everything they owned and gave the money to the poor. They formed communes and lived cooperatively waiting for Jesus' second coming. Real Christianity died out in the 300's AD when Rome made Christianity the national religion and that started the ball rolling of the whole Roman Catholic Church failure.</blockquote> whoa, i just read something really insightful in this thread</blockquote> It took a while to get there. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:11:49-04:00 234179 1993 2008-10-16T22:11:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Buck Nasty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> jesus said 'capitalism is a good thing, do not give your money to help people less fortunate than you- keep it dude- you earned it- fuck those spazo's'. Go to war and shoot people coz that our oil under there land. P.s. Nikes rule poor people drool'. good ol' jesus and his McDonalds adverts and his Coke sponsorship.</blockquote> <img src="http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/brianh81/republican_jesus2.jpg" /> I studied Biblical Studies at a very conservative Christian college for three years and I realized that most Christians in America know nothing about real Christianity. Jesus was a socialist progressive hippie who denounced the Jewish patriarchal system of the time. He believed in social justice at all costs. He said to give up everything you owned to please God. The first Christians were ancient Communists who literally sold everything they owned and gave the money to the poor. They formed communes and lived cooperatively waiting for Jesus' second coming. Real Christianity died out in the 300's AD when Rome made Christianity the national religion and that started the ball rolling of the whole Roman Catholic Church failure.</blockquote> whoa, i just read something really insightful in this thread</blockquote> yea i know about that iv been in christian school my whole life and have studied it also and yea jesus did say to help others but theres a difference when christians give their money to help others and when the government takes your money and controls what they will do with it christians chose to give their possessions away and it worked well but when your forced to give away your money just because you may be a little richer thats not right 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:15:08-04:00 234183 7411 2008-10-16T22:15:08-04:00 This is probably one of the worst political debates I've ever read. Some of you people are spewing garbage from your butt hole contradicting everything you say at a rate that would rival a fully pressurized fire hose. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:43:28-04:00 234207 7210 2008-10-16T22:44:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>jimmyheartcore said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>DesignByRyan said:</cite> Obama doesn't even salute the flag. Why would we want that?</blockquote> Let's say the dumbest most ignorant thing that pops into our head! Sounds great. While I'm sure such trivial things are monumental in the minds of those who's brains are very small -- that just isn't true. <img src="http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/featheriver/Politics/Saluting.jpg"> <img src="http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/Carrot425/PH2007110101368.jpg"> <img src="http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii19/SLdkos/2406018917_f702b044f8.jpg"> It was an isolated event that was blown out of proportion. Continuously banging the drum over things that are proven untrue make you appear weak minded. Say something intelligent, or don't say anything. You're only hurting the case for people like CajunMetal, who are informed and make valid arguments.</blockquote> my bad. Thats what I was told. I was "ignant" 8973 Post 2008-10-16T22:57:58-04:00 234219 8909 2008-10-16T22:57:58-04:00 The way I see it both sides are dong the same thing right now and that is finding every excuse they can to increase the power and scope of the national government, they are just using different avenues to do it. For example, the republican part seeks to increase the government's power through the percieved threat of terrorism. The problem here is that to "combat" this threat reduce civil liberties and spend a shit ton of money to have greater influence over people in the US and abroad. Wouldn't it make more sense to invest that money to become semi-indepentdent(in the industries that are essential to how this country works) so that the fluxuations(economic, political, etc.) of other countries won't effect this country as much, while still allowing American citizens to enjoy positive aspects of globalization. To me it seems like the people who are "threats" to this country really just want to be left alone. So basically, Republicans created, and are exacerbating, the problem that they are trying to "solve." On the other hand, Democrats(and many republicans) are trying to use the economic crisis to increase the government's power over the economy. Government handouts and bailouts are a huge part of the reason this crisis exists. Big businesses have been behaving irresponsibly(and in some cases illegally) because they knew the could get away with it because the government would bail them out. This is not how capitalism is supposed to work. Capitalism is supposed to reward good decisions and punish the bad. The overreaching hand in the private sector is what led to this crisis, and more of it is not going to solve anything. I see socialistic economic policies as a downward spiral into government run businesses and lets face it, our government has proven that it doesnt run businesses very well. The US government frustrates me. On another note, why does not wanting the government to redistribute wealth make Levi a bad christian. I havent been concerned with religion for a while, but didn't Jesus say something about letting ceasar have his laws and letting Jesus have his? Small groups of early Christians CHOOSING to live in communes is very, very different than forcing 300 million people to give more of their money to a huge central government. It seems a whole lot more christian to have private citizens choose to spend their time and money to help out those less fortunate. On the other hand, depending on the government to do such things feels somewhat lazy and hollow to me. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T23:10:25-04:00 234225 6120 2008-10-16T23:10:25-04:00 I can't believe you guys let me miss out on all the fun! Crap. <b>WAR IS PEACE</b> <b>FREEDOM IS SLAVERY</b> <b>IGNORANCE IS STRENGHT</b> Chant with me comrades. I LOVE BIG BROTHER. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T23:32:20-04:00 234254 665 2008-10-16T23:32:20-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Torchesinthedark said:</cite> The way I see it both sides are dong the same thing right now and that is finding every excuse they can to increase the power and scope of the national government, they are just using different avenues to do it. For example, the republican part seeks to increase the government's power through the percieved threat of terrorism. The problem here is that to "combat" this threat reduce civil liberties and spend a shit ton of money to have greater influence over people in the US and abroad. Wouldn't it make more sense to invest that money to become semi-indepentdent(in the industries that are essential to how this country works) so that the fluxuations(economic, political, etc.) of other countries won't effect this country as much, while still allowing American citizens to enjoy positive aspects of globalization. To me it seems like the people who are "threats" to this country really just want to be left alone. So basically, Republicans created, and are exacerbating, the problem that they are trying to "solve." On the other hand, Democrats(and many republicans) are trying to use the economic crisis to increase the government's power over the economy. Government handouts and bailouts are a huge part of the reason this crisis exists. Big businesses have been behaving irresponsibly(and in some cases illegally) because they knew the could get away with it because the government would bail them out. This is not how capitalism is supposed to work. Capitalism is supposed to reward good decisions and punish the bad. The overreaching hand in the private sector is what led to this crisis, and more of it is not going to solve anything. I see socialistic economic policies as a downward spiral into government run businesses and lets face it, our government has proven that it doesnt run businesses very well. The US government frustrates me. On another note, why does not wanting the government to redistribute wealth make Levi a bad christian. I havent been concerned with religion for a while, but didn't Jesus say something about letting ceasar have his laws and letting Jesus have his? Small groups of early Christians CHOOSING to live in communes is very, very different than forcing 300 million people to give more of their money to a huge central government. It seems a whole lot more christian to have private citizens choose to spend their time and money to help out those less fortunate. On the other hand, depending on the government to do such things feels somewhat lazy and hollow to me.</blockquote> yes yes yes thats exactly what i was trying to say but you put it just right haha i think i just get so into the debating i just loose the purpose of what i was saying but yes thats what i was trying to say about this whole issue and yea you pretty much say what i was trying to say but in a more organized context hahah 8973 Post 2008-10-16T23:40:55-04:00 234263 7411 2008-10-16T23:40:55-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Torchesinthedark said:</cite> On another note, why does not wanting the government to redistribute wealth make Levi a bad christian. I havent been concerned with religion for a while, but didn't Jesus say something about letting ceasar have his laws and letting Jesus have his? Small groups of early Christians CHOOSING to live in communes is very, very different than forcing 300 million people to give more of their money to a huge central government. It seems a whole lot more christian to have private citizens choose to spend their time and money to help out those less fortunate. On the other hand, depending on the government to do such things feels somewhat lazy and hollow to me.</blockquote> So you don't pay federal income taxes, or pay into medicaid/medicare, or social security? Guess what the Federal Government has been getting huge since the FDR's new deal. That is reality. I don't know if it is a good or bad thing. No one here throwing the words "communism" and "socialism" around has the slightest clue about what those words mean. Understand the history of the ideologies first and the contexts in which they were formed. Do some research. I do agree that just paying your taxes and hoping the government will take care of the underprivileged is being lazy. All citizens should be proactive at the local level where the most change is made. But there is nothing wrong with paying taxes to help other people in your society. Societies need social services and social workers. Your federal income taxes are made into federal grants to help organizations like the Pinellas County Coalition for the Homeless that I am volunteering for. They are helping people get out of homelessness and giving them a second chance at life. PCCH can't operate without money to buy the services they need for their population group. In your guys anarcho-libertarian utopian fantasy lands where there are no taxes and no public roads the class divide will grow even more. You can thank social progressives for giving you the 40 hour work week, abolishing child labor, making workplaces safer, allowing workers to unionize, and many other things that Americans before you would die for. My grandfather fought Carrier Air Conditioning for 20 years for workers rights as the head of a union. His and other peoples work have made this place better for you. So sorry that you are forced to help people, since apparently Christians are only supposed to help people when they feel like doing so. I agree the US government blows but don't let that mislead you into thinking that you and others don't need them. Really though we are all on the same side no matter who here disagrees with each other. It us is vs. the bankers. They love that we fight with each other over this stuff. Divide and conquer is a great strategy. The right/left divide is a joke. We are the same. The social class divide is the elite oligarchs vs. the rest of the population. So on that note, peace and love brothers. 8973 Post 2008-10-16T23:44:39-04:00 234267 6600 2008-10-16T23:51:09-04:00 we needed a thread like this. we haven't had one in months. i for one feel refreshed! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T23:49:38-04:00 234274 1106 2008-10-16T23:49:38-04:00 Also I thought this fits in this thread. haha <img src="http://englishrussia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/live_in_russia.jpg" /> 8973 Post 2008-10-16T23:51:18-04:00 234277 6600 2008-10-16T23:51:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Buck Nasty said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Torchesinthedark said:</cite> So on that note, peace and love brothers.</blockquote> We are all connected. To help another is to help oneself! 8973 Post 2008-10-16T23:51:41-04:00 234279 7210 2008-10-16T23:51:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> we needed a thread like this. we haven't had one in months. i for one feel refreshed!</blockquote> haha yea its all over i just think of this as getting out frustration or something haha 8973 Post 2008-10-16T23:58:39-04:00 234297 7411 2008-10-16T23:58:39-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justinryan said:</cite> saw that first video yesterday, ridiculous. super sad that people are that ignorant and that the current administration (and others) have trained people to fear anyone who isn't a white christian. and while on the subject, i still can't believe that video with mccain taking the mic from the woman saying obama is "an arab". i almost want to applaud him for telling someone how it is for once, but to say he isn't an arab, he's a decent family man? right, cause all arabs are terrorists and bad family men? i don't know, maybe i'm crazy, but to me white = black = mexican = arab = whatever. any of these people are capable of harming/killing people.</blockquote> atheists don't fly planes into buildings ... i'm just saying ... 8973 Post 2008-10-17T00:00:24-04:00 234302 1087 2008-10-17T00:00:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>sittingduck said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justinryan said:</cite> saw that first video yesterday, ridiculous. super sad that people are that ignorant and that the current administration (and others) have trained people to fear anyone who isn't a white christian. and while on the subject, i still can't believe that video with mccain taking the mic from the woman saying obama is "an arab". i almost want to applaud him for telling someone how it is for once, but to say he isn't an arab, he's a decent family man? right, cause all arabs are terrorists and bad family men? i don't know, maybe i'm crazy, but to me white = black = mexican = arab = whatever. any of these people are capable of harming/killing people.</blockquote> atheists don't fly planes into buildings ... i'm just saying ...</blockquote> nether do Muslims 8973 Post 2008-10-17T00:06:48-04:00 234314 6965 2008-10-17T00:06:48-04:00 <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>sittingduck said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justinryan said:</cite> saw that first video yesterday, ridiculous. super sad that people are that ignorant and that the current administration (and others) have trained people to fear anyone who isn't a white christian. and while on the subject, i still can't believe that video with mccain taking the mic from the woman saying obama is "an arab". i almost want to applaud him for telling someone how it is for once, but to say he isn't an arab, he's a decent family man? right, cause all arabs are terrorists and bad family men? i don't know, maybe i'm crazy, but to me white = black = mexican = arab = whatever. any of these people are capable of harming/killing people.</blockquote> atheists don't fly planes into buildings ... i'm just saying ...</blockquote> nether do Muslims</blockquote>Science doesn't make suicide bombers, religion does. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T00:44:54-04:00 234352 665 2008-10-17T00:44:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>mitchbones said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>sittingduck said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justinryan said:</cite> saw that first video yesterday, ridiculous. super sad that people are that ignorant and that the current administration (and others) have trained people to fear anyone who isn't a white christian. and while on the subject, i still can't believe that video with mccain taking the mic from the woman saying obama is "an arab". i almost want to applaud him for telling someone how it is for once, but to say he isn't an arab, he's a decent family man? right, cause all arabs are terrorists and bad family men? i don't know, maybe i'm crazy, but to me white = black = mexican = arab = whatever. any of these people are capable of harming/killing people.</blockquote> atheists don't fly planes into buildings ... i'm just saying ...</blockquote> nether do Muslims</blockquote>Science doesn't make suicide bombers, religion does.</blockquote> But it does make the bombs! Haha. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T00:46:07-04:00 234354 1027 2008-10-17T00:46:07-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Kevin Doom said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>mitchbones said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>One for One Clothing said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>sittingduck said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justinryan said:</cite> saw that first video yesterday, ridiculous. super sad that people are that ignorant and that the current administration (and others) have trained people to fear anyone who isn't a white christian. and while on the subject, i still can't believe that video with mccain taking the mic from the woman saying obama is "an arab". i almost want to applaud him for telling someone how it is for once, but to say he isn't an arab, he's a decent family man? right, cause all arabs are terrorists and bad family men? i don't know, maybe i'm crazy, but to me white = black = mexican = arab = whatever. any of these people are capable of harming/killing people.</blockquote> atheists don't fly planes into buildings ... i'm just saying ...</blockquote> nether do Muslims</blockquote>Science doesn't make suicide bombers, religion does.</blockquote> But it does make the bombs! Haha.</blockquote> If there is a will, there will be a way. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T00:50:55-04:00 234361 665 2008-10-17T00:50:55-04:00 I feel like people get angry and jump to conclusions alot around here. Oh well, if it really bothered me I wouldnt participate in these kinds of conversations. I pay my taxes, and I think there are alot of things that the government does that are very healthy and necessary. And while in this political environment, I would probably be considered a libertarian, I have some extremely progressive views, especially in terms of education. Although, my progressive ideas tend to revolve around merit based distribution of funds(I.E. the better you do in school the more the government pays). I understand that a central government is important and necessary. I think that the things you are doing are awesome and wish a bigger percentage of my tax dollars went to helping people in need and teaching them to become self sufficient, to take care of themselves(unless they are unable). I also think that these programs should operate in the private sector, as much as possible. I wish that state and local governments played a larger role in this country. I think that governments closer to the constituents, made up of ordinary people(as opposed to the professional political elite) would be able to make more responsible decisions for the average citizen. They would also have to explain their bad decisions to their neighbors and the parents on their kids soccer teams, etc. This would introduce a level of accountability that has disappeared from the federal government, mostly due the ridiculously high incumbency rates coupled with the insane cost of running an effective political campaign. If, on April 15th, I could give the amount of money I give to the federal government to state and local governments, and vice-versa, I would be much happier about paying taxes. In my eyes, the federal government should be about half of the size that it is now. Unions, Social progressives, and the federal government have done some incredibly positive and necessary things over the years. Unfortunately, I think these groups are spiraling out of control(if you look at some of the policies of the auto unions it should be no surprise that the big 3 don't want to make cars here anymore). While I don't really consider myself to be christian anymore, at least not in the pop-culture sense, Christians are supposed to be called to help the helpless. They aren't just supposed to help people when they feel like it, they are supposed to help people all of the time, even if will somehow negatively effect the individual who is helping others. That's the whole idea of sacrifice, hence the idea of giving someone the shirt off my back. I like helping people and probably need to start doing more of it again. I just feel like forcing people to pay for taxes for certain programs(social, economic, military, etc.) is alot like high school forcing kids to do community service. Yeah, they are doing a good thing, but they are missing the point. Helping people shouldn't be about graduating or getting into college it should be about helping people. period. I have a decent understanding of democracy and communism, capitalism and socialism, but you are right, I could do better. We all could. Unless someone is considered the authority on every possibly subject, they should probably learn more. I commend you and your grandfather for your efforts to make the world a better place. Dont feel sorry for me because I am forced to help people. I want to help people and I like to help people. I just question how large a role the federal government should play in helping people and the redistribution funds. Those sentiments are very different. You're partially right, its us vs. bankers, politicians, and corporate executives, etc. Good luck at the PCCH. I hope those that you help go on to help others in need when they can. I really hope that this community can take steps toward healthy political debate, sans name calling. We need to be able to have a place to discuss important issues. Just because people have differing opinions about politics, religion, or any other complex issue doesnt mean they cant be friends, or at the very least peacefully coexist. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T00:52:32-04:00 234362 6120 2008-10-17T00:54:42-04:00 doublej, the back of yo thread is ridickalus 8973 Post 2008-10-17T00:59:23-04:00 234374 1404 2008-10-17T00:59:23-04:00 I agree with a lot of what you said torches, that post made much more sense in context now. I don't want to lump you in with other commenters thoughts. (There are so many comments I get them all jumbled together) I am a conservative pragmatist at war with bleeding heart liberal in my mind. I believe in evidence based methodology when it comes to helping people and running a government. I believe in a balanced budget that is used to achieve the best possible results for everyone in a given society. The problem is this fake monetary system kind of screws everything up for everyone. There is no value anymore, just credit. I think the class divide will widen until it bursts open in violent conflict (much like the 30's). I am not mad at anyone here because no one here is my enemy. Those who make non-existent money to support a facade economy are my enemy. I fear a second great depression caused by hyper-inflation is a possibility within 2 years, it will effect the whole world too. If that happens we will be looking back talking about how great it was when we were arguing about how to spend taxes instead of arguing about how martial law sucks and the bread lines are too long. In the new world we live in money=debt. In America 90% of the money in the system is digital and doesn't have an actual value. Commodity based economies are almost all gone that I know of. The cycle will have to come to an end eventually and the average person won't be prepared. "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist" -<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_E._Boulding">Kenneth Boulding</a>, Economist So social progress unfortunately is going to have to take a back seat to the worldwide economy for awhile. I wish I could do everything at once but you have to tackle the big problems first. The Federal Reserve- destroying the value of the dollar since 1913 for the profit of a few central bankers. I am glad that the economy is the #1 issue in the election because it shows Americans are starting to care a little about the monetary system. /disjointed Armchair economist rant (It is 1:20 am and I am running on little sleep for the past couple days, and on that note goodnight everyone) *edit* Great Tolstoy qoute- "Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal—that there is no human relationship between master and slave." 8973 Post 2008-10-17T01:15:01-04:00 234386 6600 2008-10-17T01:22:19-04:00 Thanks Jimmy. I appreciate that. My girlfriend and I just watched an episode of Bullshit, that penn and teller show, that calls bullshit on Anger Management Therapy. There is actual SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that punching something or 'venting' actually helps to retain and reinforce your anger rather than resolve it like counting to ten or something to calm down would. This is significant to this thread because to me it shows that people without the motivation to seek rational thought, will abandon it to the influence of their emotion. That's what the people in both the Ohio and Stern videos are doing. And people accept the venting method, punching something, because its tangible, we <i>feel</i> like we're doing something about it, it feels right even though there's SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to the contrary. It goes hand in hand with the study someone did with Republicans and Democrats (I'd be happy to provide a source but I'm tired and you can look it up) that shows even though they're shown video of their candidates contradicting themselves or even lying, that we inevitably have made up our minds emotionally and will not be swayed. I've never once read in a thread or heard in real life someone concede to another on a point given direct evidence to the contrary of their own. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T01:27:19-04:00 234406 2330 2008-10-17T01:27:19-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> have you guys figured out you're angry about the same thing? like, it doesn't matter? any of it, cuz either way, you're all a bunch of douchebags who think that the way they think is the RIGHT way. No one is actually lowering taxes, or raising taxes. It's all part of the plan, and why is it so important anyways? at the end of the day you're still a slave to debt. I'm quitting at trying to be a part of this society til it can grow the fuck up.</blockquote> i have no debt. i dont borrow. i have borrowed my brothers money because i dont have to pay it back. it was a gift because he saw potential. and i already made his money back and gave it back anyway lets see a welfare person pay back the money they received? oh wait, they cant because they didnt do shit with it but buy beer. or just get by.....what a valid excuse. "we need it to get by because i have 5 kids and my husband left".....well fucking step up and make a life for your kids ha im glad my grandfather died for this country because it would break his heart to see that his country is a communist nation after he died trying to prevent that</blockquote> you're a slave to the system, your desire for money and profit automatically enrolls you into the debt system. every penny you have has debt accrued on it. A government should take care of it's people. You've obviously never been poor. You're completely ignorant about how the world works. Capitalism is the root of evil.</blockquote> Capitalism is the American dream. If we don't have capitalism, we have socialism, and socialism is one step from communism. There is a reason why America is and has been the greatest Nation on earth: Capitalism. It is the reason we have a problem with illegal immigration (because other people want to be here so badly), why people in other countries talk about how you can achieve any dream your mind can create in the United States. The day American's start wanting socialism over capitalism will be the beginning of the end and one of the saddest days of my life. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T01:37:26-04:00 234419 1276 2008-10-17T01:38:13-04:00 P.S. wouldn't it be great if all the energy spent trying to convince Levi or others on here were spent calling your Congressman/woman or Senator? 8973 Post 2008-10-17T01:39:01-04:00 234422 2330 2008-10-17T01:39:01-04:00 "Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism. A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank." - Ron Paul and with that, I'm out. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T01:43:47-04:00 234426 2330 2008-10-17T01:43:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>cajun metal said:</cite> P.S. wouldn't it be great if all the energy spent trying to convince Levi or others on here were spent calling your Congressman/woman or Senator?</blockquote> +100 8973 Post 2008-10-17T01:44:59-04:00 234430 1276 2008-10-17T01:44:59-04:00 <blockquote><cite>cajun metal said:</cite> "Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism. A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank." - Ron Paul and with that, I'm out.</blockquote> Great point. Ron Paul is a really smart guy, it's a shame he didn't have a better shot at President. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T01:46:16-04:00 234432 1276 2008-10-17T01:46:16-04:00 Hones​tly,​ I dont like polit​ics,​ I think​ that if we would​ have followed what Georg​e Washi​ngton​ said,​ (​which​ was to not split​ up into polit​ical group​s)​ then it would​ have saved​ us the troub​le we have now.... but peopl​e dont have the insig​ht to see that far ahead​,​ and i think​ racis​m and the media​ playe​d a huge biase​d part.​ 8973 Post 2008-10-17T01:53:17-04:00 234445 8909 2008-10-17T01:53:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> its just politics?!?! are you kidding?? dude, do you see how bad things are right now? its obvious your 17....</blockquote> you totally didn't read that right i meant don't hate me because of what i believe and what im trying to say of course its important why do you think i study politics and what is happening its obvious you just care about downing me i was just saying don't hate me as a person because i don't want obama</blockquote> Alright, I've only read up to here so far, but good god, electricthreads, please punctuate your sentences, it's incredibly difficult to follow your arguing. It's like a stream of rambling. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:15:29-04:00 234468 3001 2008-10-17T02:15:29-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Aniast said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>levi! said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> There is no difference between Dems or Reps, they're all puppets to big corporations who want nothing more than to control you.</blockquote> that i agree with. remember i said i dont believe in government? and ive never been poor? ha. im glad you grew up with my in Louisiana. and im glad you know that my dad worked at sweeping the floors of the plants at dow chemical. and now he is the vice president of logistics so yeah, im pretty sure anyone could work for their income ha dont fucking tell me that somebody deserves my money because they couldnt afford to go to college. my dad couldnt afford it and he didnt. but im sitting nice. and im not ashamed. he worked for it</blockquote> i can't believe people are still saying your selfish and using guilt when obviously you know what your talking about i can bet nobody here makes over $250,000 a year thats why they agree with obama's tax plan even though it'll probably kill a ton of businesses right on the line of that number</blockquote> There's an exception rule for small businesses in Obama's tax plan that he has outlined. Levi, go pave your road. Pay for your children's education, go back and have your dad pay for your public education. You don't sound like someone who is democratic, while you call people communists, you sound more like an anarchist. You may think you are a capitalist, but you want to abandon a system that made you what you are. Even indirectly, you have received benefits your entire life from taxes. Taxes that your parents paid, taxes that you'll pay and appreciate if you ever have kids. There are so many things that are morally wrong with your arguments, I don't even know where to begin. Seriously, take a minute and think of things you use every day/week that are paid for, at least partially, by taxes.</blockquote> i have no problem with paying taxes. i have a problem with being forced to. huge difference. i know the benefit of taxes. but i also know the benefit of a free will and for the stereotype that all Christians are conservative war loving biggots. good job on being a complete idiot me = Christian me = believe in no governemnt me = totally against Bush (he nationalized banks...socialist) me = against McCain and Obama so maybe actually get a clue before you post a stereotype about my religion. ive always wondered by Christians are always the first ones to be blasted IM BACK, GOT THE LADY ALL STUDIED UP, AMONG OTHER THINGS :) and again. nobody has read anything i said im not going to reply to all the post, posted about me because there were so many. but i did reply to the above quote 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:18:16-04:00 234471 5678 2008-10-17T02:18:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> civil war! wait, what color is florida right now</blockquote> http://color.ssve.ru/730d7d I see this is turning into a shitstorm of a thread anyways, but reading some more, wow, Levi!, you're a piece of garbage and I'm glad I haven't designed anything for you, I would be feeling very guilty right now. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:22:58-04:00 234476 3001 2008-10-17T02:25:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Incarnadine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> civil war! wait, what color is florida right now</blockquote> http://color.ssve.ru/730d7d I see this is turning into a shitstorm of a thread anyways, but reading some more, wow, Levi!, you're a piece of garbage and I'm glad I haven't designed anything for you, I would be feeling very guilty right now.</blockquote> yeah, working for my money and wanting to keep it does make me a bad person im sure you give all your designs away right? once again, read i dont have a problem helping, i have a problem being forced too. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:29:15-04:00 234481 5678 2008-10-17T02:29:15-04:00 oh, I'm not saying you wanting to work for your money makes you a bad person. But seriously? What you've said in this thread displays a lack of social empathy on the level of a sociopath. And I'm not here to get into a big ol' debate like the rest of this thread, I don't really care to argue on the internet, I've never really seen anything come of it before. Oh, and Family Guy's on. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:34:23-04:00 234482 3001 2008-10-17T02:35:56-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Incarnadine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> civil war! wait, what color is florida right now</blockquote> http://color.ssve.ru/730d7d I see this is turning into a shitstorm of a thread anyways, but reading some more, wow, Levi!, you're a piece of garbage and I'm glad I haven't designed anything for you, I would be feeling very guilty right now.</blockquote> What makes him a piece of garbage? Because he's Christian? Because he has values and an opinion? I don't get what is so effective about attacking a person's character because they have an opinion. It doesn't matter what you believe or if your Dem, Rep, or anything in between or nothing at all, common courtesy and respect for other people should be a given. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:34:53-04:00 234483 1276 2008-10-17T02:34:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Incarnadine said:</cite> oh, I'm not saying you wanting to work for your money makes you a bad person. But seriously? What you've said in this thread displays a lack of social empathy on the level of a sociopath.</blockquote> Not agreeing with socialism does not display a lack or social empathy. Quite the opposite, he wants you to enjoy the same rights of deciding for yourself, not having your government force you to do things. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:37:05-04:00 234484 1276 2008-10-17T02:37:18-04:00 I'm so confused by your first sentence. Are you saying some taxes are ok, others are not or are you just not happy about paying taxes? I say anarchist, not in the connotation that you are probably associating it with, but as someone who is anti-government. My comment about you being a selfish christian is because when people claim christianity there are certain connotations that go along with that. Those connotations go along with most other religious, but that is an entirely different discussion. Your generalization of taxes and how you don't want to pay them because you earned it, in my opinion makes you selfish because in order for American society to function you have to pay taxes. It's amazing to me how defensive people get when religion comes into play. I didn't go back and check anything, feel free to quote me from up there, it's just too much to wade through and I'm kind of lazy right now. I know I called you a selfish christian, and don't see how your views on taxes as you stated above line up with general christian beliefs. Christians are the first to be blasted because there are a group of christians that like to say stupid shit in the national media. Glad you got the lady "studied up." Play on playa. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:37:26-04:00 234485 1993 2008-10-17T02:37:26-04:00 <blockquote><cite>SentimentalNate said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Incarnadine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> civil war! wait, what color is florida right now</blockquote> http://color.ssve.ru/730d7d I see this is turning into a shitstorm of a thread anyways, but reading some more, wow, Levi!, you're a piece of garbage and I'm glad I haven't designed anything for you, I would be feeling very guilty right now.</blockquote> What makes him a piece of garbage? Because he's Christian? Because he has values and an opinion? I don't get what is so effective about attacking a person's character because they have an opinion. It doesn't matter what you believe or if your Dem, Rep, or anything in between or nothing at all, common courtesy and respect for other people should be a given.</blockquote> Just to clarify: Levi!:"i feel that i shouldnt be forced to give up what i earned to someone who is to lazy, OR DISABLED. yes, you can be disabled. is that my fault? no." Not a shred to do with religion. I also feel strongly about this statement for personal reasons. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:38:27-04:00 234486 3001 2008-10-17T02:38:27-04:00 Wow some people sound like complete douche bags. Usually that's my job but I haven't even said anything yet. Let's just agree to disagree and chill out. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:50:14-04:00 234487 1219 2008-10-17T02:50:14-04:00 This is why I don't vote . . . 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:53:45-04:00 234489 4460 2008-10-17T02:53:45-04:00 This is still here? God bless America and the rest of the world too, even Canada. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:54:45-04:00 234490 506 2008-10-17T02:54:45-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Jon Kruse said:</cite> Wow some people sound like complete douche bags. Usually that's my job but I haven't even said anything yet. Let's just agree to disagree and chill out.</blockquote> I know I'm a douche bag. I'm ok with it. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T02:58:33-04:00 234493 1993 2008-10-17T02:58:33-04:00 They are predicting he will win. Not that it matters, they are both douches. The thing that makes me wonder though is if Obama is not a citizen and is elected then what happens? He refused to present papers to a judge and his grandma screams he was born in Kenya so you gotta wonder.(obamacrimes.com) Is Obama just there to get votes so Biden can step up when they go "oh shit, obama is not eligible to be sworn in?" or do they even know what to do in that scenario? Im really hoping there is a tie though because then it will be Obama president, Palin VP. that would be the most hilarious thing ever and piss off the entire nation. lol so im rooting for that. whoever wins we are doomed, they are both more war. We need a president for PEACE not war. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T03:00:25-04:00 234495 8325 2008-10-17T03:00:25-04:00 I just read this whole thing and shed tears. Some of the stuff written here makes me scared for the world. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T03:17:44-04:00 234511 3005 2008-10-17T03:17:44-04:00 Affordable Healthcare = Communism? Wtf is wrong with you people? 8973 Post 2008-10-17T03:18:16-04:00 234512 997 2008-10-17T03:18:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> Affordable Healthcare = Communism? Wtf is wrong with you people?</blockquote> the poor people will just use it to get free drugs... uh duh. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T03:29:30-04:00 234515 1219 2008-10-17T03:40:51-04:00 It would be sweet for the businesspeople who are all against the healthcare deal to turn 55 suddenly and check out how quick their independent healthcare provider charges them 5-10,000 dollar a month for comparable benefits. Even as a 26 year old non-smoker in good health, I'm looking at 4-600 a month for comprehensive coverage. Right now my only option is catastrophic coverage which is useless unless I end up in a coma for a couple of months or something. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T03:40:08-04:00 234520 997 2008-10-17T03:40:08-04:00 <blockquote><cite>cyanide said:</cite> They are predicting he will win. Not that it matters, they are both douches. The thing that makes me wonder though is if Obama is not a citizen and is elected then what happens? He refused to present papers to a judge and his grandma screams he was born in Kenya so you gotta wonder.(obamacrimes.com) Is Obama just there to get votes so Biden can step up when they go "oh shit, obama is not eligible to be sworn in?" or do they even know what to do in that scenario? Im really hoping there is a tie though because then it will be Obama president, Palin VP. that would be the most hilarious thing ever and piss off the entire nation. lol so im rooting for that. whoever wins we are doomed, they are both more war. We need a president for PEACE not war.</blockquote> im glad you are for peace but holy shit you are gullible. does one lame duck website really make you believe that bullshit? the video on that site is from the toledo local affiliate of fox news. wow! are you so dim that you think john mccain's political campaign doesn't have the same info you have? as if this garbage held one ounce of water the mccain campaign and ALL major news organizations wouldn't be all over it? no no, im sure YOU have the <i>real</i> dirt on Obama. he isn't a citizen RIIIIIIGHT. flat out, you are as simple as every single person interviewed in the video that started this thread. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T04:13:31-04:00 234535 1106 2008-10-17T04:13:31-04:00 I would like to see some peace. This Probably had nothing to do at hand but <b>Fun Fact:</b> America has not had more than 35 years of peace at a time in our short 232 year history. The American Revolution (1775-1782) 30 years of peace The War of 1812 (1812-1815) 31 Years of peace The Mexican-American War (1846-1848) 13 Years of peace The American Civil War (1861-1865) 33 Years of peace The Spanish-American War (1898-1898) 19 Years of peace World War I (1917-1918) 23 Years of peace World War II (1941-1945) 5 Years of peace The Korean War (1950-1953) 6 Years of peace The Vietnam War(1959-1975) 15 Years of peace Gulf War(Desert Storm) (1990-1991) 10 Years of peace Operation Enduring Freedome (2001-2003) Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-Present) Yea I spent way too long getting all that info. It was in a table but emptees messed with the table. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T04:27:15-04:00 234539 664 2008-10-17T04:27:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> Affordable Healthcare = Communism? Wtf is wrong with you people?</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Ameeee said:</cite> I just read this whole thing and shed tears. Some of the stuff written here makes me scared for the world.</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Jon Kruse said:</cite> Wow some people sound like complete douche bags. Usually that's my job but I haven't even said anything yet. Let's just agree to disagree and chill out.</blockquote> +1 for all of these. Once what people say in here starts affecting who will trade with who, do you not think the thread is getting slightly silly? 8973 Post 2008-10-17T06:26:21-04:00 234605 6884 2008-10-17T06:26:21-04:00 Politics creates soo much hate and anger between people... IMO Lame. For a nation who believes in being one and free... It sure is plenty sub divided. Again... Just my opinion. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T07:11:05-04:00 234633 8918 2008-10-17T07:11:05-04:00 You guys are lucky you get to vote fairly... the last time an opposition party won in my country [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_13_Incident">late 60's</a>], there was a huge racial riot started by the loosing party. Since then, the said party has been running this country down into the ground. Every time they are about to get fried or lose, they pull out their racial card. I'd like to elaborate more, but I might end up going missing and all that. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T07:20:27-04:00 234637 303 2008-10-17T07:20:27-04:00 <img src="http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PYR/GPP51015~300-Posters.jpg" /> 300th comment here! :) 8973 Post 2008-10-17T07:30:21-04:00 234644 303 2008-10-17T07:30:45-04:00 I think its funny some of you are affraid of socialism. I suggest you ask yourself why the rich and powerful want you to fear socialism- then go and look it uo- and not from any american resource. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T07:59:28-04:00 234657 2802 2008-10-17T07:59:28-04:00 edit: Subdivided & Constricted... It's hard to believe that the process of so called "voting" can be watered down to two "popular" parties before the actual election begins is crazy. What kind of a choice are they actually advertising? How fucking real is anything these days? 8973 Post 2008-10-17T08:45:01-04:00 234669 8918 2008-10-17T08:45:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> I think its funny some of you are affraid of socialism. I suggest you ask yourself why the rich and powerful want you to fear socialism- then go and look it uo- and not from any american resource.</blockquote> DING DING DING DING DING YOU'RE A WINNER! 8973 Post 2008-10-17T09:06:41-04:00 234679 173 2008-10-17T09:06:41-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> 3 WORDS <B>PROTEST IS PATRIOTISM</B> and another 3 words for you DON'T FUCKING VOTE voting implies belief in the system. the system is a sham. Until we completely reshape our society away from the greed/profit/debt/materialist culture we're trapped in, I won't be proud for humanity, let alone the nation I live in.</blockquote> Sad, but true. <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> I think its funny some of you are affraid of socialism. I suggest you ask yourself why the rich and powerful want you to fear socialism- then go and look it uo- and not from any american resource.</blockquote> We are already are socialists in a sense. This country isn't completely capitalist, or else we wouldnt have programs such as "social" security and welfare. These are socialist ideas. Finding a good balance between the two would benefit all of us the most, instead leaning towards one or the other. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T09:22:23-04:00 234686 285 2008-10-17T09:25:30-04:00 2 minutes of pure ignorance...scary! 8973 Post 2008-10-17T10:04:32-04:00 234729 3518 2008-10-17T10:04:32-04:00 It HAD to be in OH, didn't it? Ugh... Ravi@traditiona.com 8973 Post 2008-10-17T10:11:37-04:00 234742 6610 2008-10-17T10:11:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>doublej said:</cite> This thread turned out to be very awesome! Good job everyone.</blockquote> 8973 Post 2008-10-17T10:25:56-04:00 234763 173 2008-10-17T10:25:56-04:00 yikes 8973 Post 2008-10-17T10:32:38-04:00 234769 1486 2008-10-17T10:32:38-04:00 <blockquote>What you’re using as arguments are opinions. Opinions in an argument are like enema bags. People who only use opinions to argue, are probably full of shit.</blockquote> And with that remark Jimmy wins the thread. You have earned 1,000 internet points. Thanks for playing everyone, better luck next time. 8973 Post 2008-10-17T14:57:41-04:00 235125 6600 2008-10-17T14:57:41-04:00 im voting for jimmy! 8973 Post 2008-10-17T15:19:03-04:00 235144 2691 2008-10-17T15:19:03-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY 8973 Post 2008-10-17T16:30:15-04:00 235216 3028 2008-10-17T16:30:15-04:00 Jimmy ruined this thread with logic. I'm excited to see Reeming Part 2 8973 Post 2008-10-17T16:33:42-04:00 235220 3352 2008-10-17T16:33:42-04:00 Massive zing!! Congrats Jimmy!! 8973 Post 2008-10-17T16:42:58-04:00 235227 2879 2008-10-17T16:42:58-04:00 where are you levi!? 8973 Post 2008-10-17T18:06:49-04:00 235297 881 2008-10-17T18:06:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> you think being gay leads to fucking animals? im sorry but your an idiot. and i dont think anyones gonna disagree with me on that one and out of curiosity...what nations legally have sex with animals and think its normal and fine?</blockquote> im not an idiot these are studies of how a country keeps going further and how it opens doors for people wanting other things like multiple partners and underage marriage its a book that talks about these issues and gives examples of countries and i don't have it off the top of my head but if you even gave the time of day to see why im against this i can tell you what book it is by tomorrow</blockquote> Was it written by Eminem per chance? <blockquote><cite>Lyrics form The real slim shady</cite> "Well, some of us cannibals who cut other people open like cantaloupes [SLURP] But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope"</blockquote> 8973 Post 2008-10-17T18:53:55-04:00 235349 664 2008-10-17T18:53:55-04:00 It took me <i>forever</i> to read this thread, but holy crap! Jimmy just tore this whole thread up in one post, and that's only Part 1! 8973 Post 2008-10-17T18:57:56-04:00 235350 1855 2008-10-17T18:57:56-04:00 <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2947179816_aec701f2b3_o.jpg" /> thats just silly 8973 Post 2008-10-17T19:03:08-04:00 235353 881 2008-10-17T19:03:08-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MykeCatastrophic said:</cite> It took me <i>forever</i> to read this thread, but holy crap! Jimmy just tore this whole thread up in one post, and that's only Part 1!</blockquote> Yeah, i tried to catch up on where it was when i went to bed last night......took me ages. Peculiar thread really...like Jimmy says there is a hell of a lot being banded about like it's fact rather than opinion. It all needs to be kept in context 8973 Post 2008-10-17T19:08:35-04:00 235356 6884 2008-10-17T19:08:35-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2947179816_aec701f2b3_o.jpg" /> thats just silly</blockquote> holy shit that is the greatest thing ever! 8973 Post 2008-10-17T21:17:37-04:00 235468 173 2008-10-17T21:17:37-04:00 that pic just made my night complete 8973 Post 2008-10-17T21:25:54-04:00 235475 5678 2008-10-17T21:25:54-04:00 sorry, im back. and i just read everything jimmy had to offer. but im waiting on the girl to get here so im not gonna read all the links...yet. that time will come tomorrow and im sorry i have extremist views. that happen to be different from GOD "jimmy" i guess having an open mind is something of a bad thing. and dont say im not open minded. I posted that im a Christian, anarchist who doesnt believe the church has a place in government. and when did i say micheal savage was someone i looked up to? i just said he will change the way you think. i didnt say good or bad. sorry i apologize alot because people with different views are often blasted here, similar to the Jews. and my dad is ignorant? is that what youre saying? tell me if it is. and then we can discuss that over a private session. or over phone. i dont care. annnnd, is a hand out receiving help because you earned it, or receiving help because you arent as wealthy and by the way. the whole 4 months thing....4 months with Word! Apparel 2 years with Fire of Life Clothing and Crashtide Clothing he was right beside, watching me. he invested in me. sorry for that and ima get to all the call out by jimmy. just not now. i got better things coming over 8973 Post 2008-10-17T21:36:16-04:00 235487 5678 2008-10-17T21:36:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2947179816_aec701f2b3_o.jpg" /> thats just silly</blockquote> <img src="http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/photos/obm/obm_13.gif" /> 8973 Post 2008-10-18T00:48:29-04:00 235646 1106 2008-10-18T00:48:29-04:00 you guys in other states have it pretty easy out here in cali we have a bunch of shit going on in political voting. I got in a little fight with a few people at my work cause they are going to vote YES on prop 8 ( in cali to ban gay marriage in cali ) I personally am voting No because i believe every person should have the right to legally marry if they are 18 and want to marry a dude or a chick. whatever floats your boat. I feel like its the average person vs. christian- catholic right winged nutjobs and this video totally made me think of them. 8973 Post 2008-10-18T01:15:04-04:00 235655 1067 2008-10-18T01:15:04-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2947179816_aec701f2b3_o.jpg" /> thats just silly</blockquote> <img src="http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/photos/obm/obm_13.gif" /></blockquote> AHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 8973 Post 2008-10-18T01:17:34-04:00 235656 2691 2008-10-18T01:17:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Cole said:</cite> <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2947179816_aec701f2b3_o.jpg" /> thats just silly</blockquote> <img src="http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/photos/obm/obm_13.gif" /></blockquote> ha ha ha ha ha ha. talk about animals having sex.... 8973 Post 2008-10-18T01:29:32-04:00 235661 25 2008-10-18T01:29:32-04:00 As a bi-racial guy, i believe i have the unique privilege of being incapable of being one sided when it comes to issues of race and ethnic tolerance. And for the record, I wont be voting for either man. It makes me happy to see a black man potentially able to win in the presidential elections, the so called "highest honor a man can achieve", but in the end I know it will make little difference. All Obama becoming president will prove is that a black man is just as incapable of running a country as a white man. I have yet to see a president in my lifetime make the world a better place on such a grand level where it actually brings lasting benefits. I HAVE, seen, presidents who cheat on theyre wives, presidents who start wars because it benefits them finacially, presidents who kill, and presidents help theyre peers who are financially wealthy rather than people who truly need the help. So, while I respect everyone who does vote, no man can bring about peace. November 16, 1982 was marked by the UN as the "International Year of Peace." Well, that year actually had more small scale wars in it than any before it or since. So to acknowledge the people who will be quick to call me, "unpatriotic", or "lacking of pride for the US", I leave you with deep fight club quote. " Your too busy polishing the brass on the titanic, its all going down." 8973 Post 2008-10-18T01:45:11-04:00 235666 1822 2008-10-18T01:45:11-04:00 This thread is pretty awesome. Although I must say, for people that are so highly charged about the presidential race it's interesting to see that some of you won't be voting. Our freedoms in this country are many ... One of these freedoms is the right and privilege to vote. I believe it's at least somewhat beneficial to vote for the candidate that best represents your views even if you may feel he may simply be a pasty. The ignorant thing to do now – after eight years of what I consider the worst eight years of this country's history – would be NOT to vote. Not that my plea will make any difference to any of you but I personally am grateful for at least the idea that my vote counts for something. 8973 Post 2008-10-18T02:02:19-04:00 235670 25 2008-10-18T02:06:15-04:00 <blockquote>and im sorry i have extremist views. that happen to be different from GOD "jimmy" i guess having an open mind is something of a bad thing. and dont say im not open minded. I posted that im a Christian, anarchist who doesnt believe the church has a place in government. </blockquote> Being open minded doesn't mean that you only believe in your own ignorant beliefs it means that you are accepting of other peoples ideas and beliefs. Here is some advice that I hope you take Levi. Shut up, you're not going to sway anyone with your lack of information to back up what your saying. Just stop now and hopefully people will forget about this. 8973 Post 2008-10-18T02:34:11-04:00 235687 1219 2008-10-18T02:34:39-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Jon Kruse said:</cite> <blockquote>and im sorry i have extremist views. that happen to be different from GOD "jimmy" i guess having an open mind is something of a bad thing. and dont say im not open minded. I posted that im a Christian, anarchist who doesnt believe the church has a place in government. </blockquote> Being open minded doesn't mean that you only believe in your own ignorant beliefs it means that you are accepting of other peoples ideas and beliefs. Here is some advice that I hope you take Levi. Shut up, you're not going to sway anyone with your lack of information to back up what your saying. Just stop now and hopefully people will forget about this.</blockquote> really dont care if people forget about this.... 8973 Post 2008-10-18T02:44:53-04:00 235691 5678 2008-10-18T02:44:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>robothate said:</cite>The ignorant thing to do now – after eight years of what I consider the worst eight years of this country's history – would be NOT to vote. Not that my plea will make any difference to any of you but I personally am grateful for at least the idea that my vote counts for something.</blockquote> To be honest, I don't vote because I don't feel that I know enough about politics to be able to be able to make a educated choice. That and I wasn't a citizen till after the last election . . . so I technically was never eligible to vote to begin with . . . 8973 Post 2008-10-18T03:09:25-04:00 235699 4460 2008-10-18T03:09:25-04:00 <img src="http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/5461/c7b6d6adf804411159af5e0vl5.gif" /> 8973 Post 2008-10-18T03:14:16-04:00 235700 1106 2008-10-18T03:14:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>robothate said:</cite> This thread is pretty awesome. Although I must say, for people that are so highly charged about the presidential race it's interesting to see that some of you won't be voting. Our freedoms in this country are many ... One of these freedoms is the right and privilege to vote. I believe it's at least somewhat beneficial to vote for the candidate that best represents your views even if you may feel he may simply be a pasty. The ignorant thing to do now – after eight years of what I consider the worst eight years of this country's history – would be NOT to vote. Not that my plea will make any difference to any of you but I personally am grateful for at least the idea that my vote counts for something.</blockquote> Its funny because I am one of the most passionate people I know IRL about politics, and I'm not voting. It had to do with moving and forgetting I had to reregister before the 6th <b>UGH</b> 8973 Post 2008-10-18T08:16:34-04:00 235794 665 2008-10-18T08:16:34-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbbcVNOMqSk 8973 Post 2008-10-18T21:46:55-04:00 236363 665 2008-10-18T21:46:55-04:00 <img src="http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo34/puzzled_panther/mccainsferatu.jpg" /> 8973 Post 2008-10-18T22:15:32-04:00 236378 1106 2008-10-18T22:15:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>mitchbones said:</cite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbbcVNOMqSk</blockquote> Could people be more derelict? Freedom of speech is an inspired right and to see people do such uninspiring things with said right is disheartening. Banjo-fuckers like this guy should look into receiving mental help. I personally feel both of the candidates are extremely intelligent and have great potential to be great leaders. I don't necessarily agree 100% with either of them but I think that voting is awesome. Also I know they have special interest parties backing them that they will owe favors ... well that's just politics. Yes, it is unfortunate but no president will ever make any of us 100% happy. That's why we're Americans. Never content. 8973 Post 2008-10-18T22:53:31-04:00 236396 25 2008-10-18T23:01:42-04:00 <img src="http://board.low-bee.com/download/file.php?avatar=10339_1223920343.gif" /> 8973 Post 2008-10-19T02:27:56-04:00 236474 1106 2008-10-19T02:27:56-04:00 Al Jazeera? lol 8973 Post 2008-10-20T19:09:01-04:00 238635 4909 2008-10-20T19:09:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> i have to comment on this, late in the game, because you are so wrong and ignorant and it can't go ignored. you pull this shit out of your ass without any facts or evidence to support it. gay people - two committed adults in a perfectly healthy relationship (don't even argue this because i'll send you right over to the american psychological association). nobody with any credibility in science or psychology believes that being gay is unnatural. it occurs in almost every animal species and there is strong evidence for a gay gene ie; people are born that way. you can't compare being gay to fucking incest or rape or having sex with animals. one doesn't even involve consenting human beings and the other is genetically unnatural. the countries that have made gay marriage legal have had none of the problems you mentioned. then there's also massachusetts which has had gay marriage for a while and the main thing they've seen from that is an economic boost. and i know firsthand that being gay doesn't mean you can't have a regular life and a regular family. my aunts are gay and they have 3 kids (who are all straight btw) and they are probably one of the most normal families out there. they're sucessful and great people and you wouldn't even know they were any different from anybody else. now let's look at the countries with gay marriage so we can see how they're all on the path to hell like you said.... countries with gay marriage: Belgium Canada Netherlands Norway South Africa Spain countries with gay civil unions: Andorra Belgium Czech Republic Denmark Ecuador Finland France Germany Hungary Iceland Luxembourg Netherlands New Zealand Slovenia Sweden Switzerland United Kingdom Uruguay countries with certain states/regions with gay marriage/gay civil unions: Argentina (C, RN, VCP) Australia (TAS, ACT, VIC eff. 2008-12-1) Brazil (RS) Canada (NS, QC) Mexico (Coah., DF) United States (CA, CT, DC, HI, ME, MD, NH, NJ, OR, VT, WA) clearly all of these countries have made bestiality and incest legal and they are falling apart.. this country is supposed to have separation of church and state. nobody would ever argue for any religion to recognize gay rights. however, if gay people are gonna pay taxes (and they actually pay more than straight people do because they don't get tax breaks. my aunts pay twice as much as my parents do and they're lucky because they have a lot of money, but if they didn't they would be fucked financially) then they should have rights as american citizens. if they live in this country, they pay taxes, they follow the law, they should be treated like anyone else. end of story. people get so obsessed with gays and it's really weird. i dont know why if you're really straight, why you would care what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. fucking weird! end rant. 8973 Post 2008-10-25T01:54:50-04:00 244024 4933 2008-10-25T01:54:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>vinnyg said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> i have to comment on this, late in the game, because you are so wrong and ignorant and it can't go ignored. you pull this shit out of your ass without any facts or evidence to support it. gay people - two committed adults in a perfectly healthy relationship (don't even argue this because i'll send you right over to the american psychological association). nobody with any credibility in science or psychology believes that being gay is unnatural. it occurs in almost every animal species and there is strong evidence for a gay gene ie; people are born that way. you can't compare being gay to fucking incest or rape or having sex with animals. one doesn't even involve consenting human beings and the other is genetically unnatural. the countries that have made gay marriage legal have had none of the problems you mentioned. then there's also massachusetts which has had gay marriage for a while and the main thing they've seen from that is an economic boost. and i know firsthand that being gay doesn't mean you can't have a regular life and a regular family. my aunts are gay and they have 3 kids (who are all straight btw) and they are probably one of the most normal families out there. they're sucessful and great people and you wouldn't even know they were any different from anybody else. now let's look at the countries with gay marriage so we can see how they're all on the path to hell like you said.... countries with gay marriage: Belgium Canada Netherlands Norway South Africa Spain countries with gay civil unions: Andorra Belgium Czech Republic Denmark Ecuador Finland France Germany Hungary Iceland Luxembourg Netherlands New Zealand Slovenia Sweden Switzerland United Kingdom Uruguay countries with certain states/regions with gay marriage/gay civil unions: Argentina (C, RN, VCP) Australia (TAS, ACT, VIC eff. 2008-12-1) Brazil (RS) Canada (NS, QC) Mexico (Coah., DF) United States (CA, CT, DC, HI, ME, MD, NH, NJ, OR, VT, WA) clearly all of these countries have made bestiality and incest legal and they are falling apart.. this country is supposed to have separation of church and state. nobody would ever argue for any religion to recognize gay rights. however, if gay people are gonna pay taxes (and they actually pay more than straight people do because they don't get tax breaks. my aunts pay twice as much as my parents do and they're lucky because they have a lot of money, but if they didn't they would be fucked financially) then they should have rights as american citizens. if they live in this country, they pay taxes, they follow the law, they should be treated like anyone else. end of story. people get so obsessed with gays and it's really weird. i dont know why if you're really straight, why you would care what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. fucking weird! end rant.</blockquote> Dude, you just earned a whole new level of respect from me for that. I agree 100% with everything you just said. 8973 Post 2008-10-25T02:38:22-04:00 244060 1855 2008-10-25T02:38:22-04:00 This whole Christians being against gays and abortion is bull. God said he is the only one who may judge. You judging the them on their life style makes you a hypocrite. 8973 Post 2008-10-25T03:05:42-04:00 244076 664 2008-10-25T03:06:09-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ChadDoesDesign said:</cite> This whole Christians being against gays and abortion is bull. God said he is the only one who may judge. You judging the them on their life style makes you a hypocrite.</blockquote> legalize gay abortions! 8973 Post 2008-10-25T04:08:05-04:00 244101 5847 2008-10-25T04:08:05-04:00 cant we all get along:) No ones going to vote any different haha. 8973 Post 2008-10-25T10:04:47-04:00 244181 6758 2008-10-25T10:04:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>vinnyg said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> i have to comment on this, late in the game, because you are so wrong and ignorant and it can't go ignored. you pull this shit out of your ass without any facts or evidence to support it. gay people - two committed adults in a perfectly healthy relationship (don't even argue this because i'll send you right over to the american psychological association). nobody with any credibility in science or psychology believes that being gay is unnatural. it occurs in almost every animal species and there is strong evidence for a gay gene ie; people are born that way. you can't compare being gay to fucking incest or rape or having sex with animals. one doesn't even involve consenting human beings and the other is genetically unnatural. the countries that have made gay marriage legal have had none of the problems you mentioned. then there's also massachusetts which has had gay marriage for a while and the main thing they've seen from that is an economic boost. and i know firsthand that being gay doesn't mean you can't have a regular life and a regular family. my aunts are gay and they have 3 kids (who are all straight btw) and they are probably one of the most normal families out there. they're sucessful and great people and you wouldn't even know they were any different from anybody else. now let's look at the countries with gay marriage so we can see how they're all on the path to hell like you said.... countries with gay marriage: Belgium Canada Netherlands Norway South Africa Spain countries with gay civil unions: Andorra Belgium Czech Republic Denmark Ecuador Finland France Germany Hungary Iceland Luxembourg Netherlands New Zealand Slovenia Sweden Switzerland United Kingdom Uruguay countries with certain states/regions with gay marriage/gay civil unions: Argentina (C, RN, VCP) Australia (TAS, ACT, VIC eff. 2008-12-1) Brazil (RS) Canada (NS, QC) Mexico (Coah., DF) United States (CA, CT, DC, HI, ME, MD, NH, NJ, OR, VT, WA) clearly all of these countries have made bestiality and incest legal and they are falling apart.. this country is supposed to have separation of church and state. nobody would ever argue for any religion to recognize gay rights. however, if gay people are gonna pay taxes (and they actually pay more than straight people do because they don't get tax breaks. my aunts pay twice as much as my parents do and they're lucky because they have a lot of money, but if they didn't they would be fucked financially) then they should have rights as american citizens. if they live in this country, they pay taxes, they follow the law, they should be treated like anyone else. end of story. people get so obsessed with gays and it's really weird. i dont know why if you're really straight, why you would care what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. fucking weird! end rant.</blockquote> Bravo! 8973 Post 2008-10-25T12:01:20-04:00 244227 1027 2008-10-25T12:01:20-04:00 <blockquote><cite>vinnyg said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt:W said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MICHAEL SHANTZ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Tender Branson said:</cite> I understand that everyone has different views about politics, religion.. life in general. But if someone is going to stand up for something, please do it with some tact - with some actual factual information - not just what you heard from mommy, daddy, uncle Bob, Fox news, CNN.. etc. Jimmy always has a ton of factual information to back up everything he says. I have yet to see him come in and say "THAT SHITS IMMORAL BITCHES AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA". This goes for either side, McCain or Obama. If you're going to talk about serious matters, talk about it with some dignity, use proper English and stop casting stones at everyone that disagrees with you.</blockquote> i totally agree.</blockquote> but i do have facts i can tell you why gay marriage isn't the right way to go and why abortion is wrong besides the fact that its imoral and i try to talk about the spread the wealth issue but you keep going back to the war which will end either way and i get my facts from mentors that know a ton about politics and i research myself seriously just cause im 17 doesn't mean im stupid</blockquote> A) stop using the age card and B) Give us those facts on same sex marriage please</blockquote> i haven't used the age card only once because you keep telling me i get facts from my mom and dad the thing is im getting this all from myself also if you look at nations that accepted gay marriage they went on to worse things incest, multiple wives, sex with animals all that being legal and then the nation as itself just kinda goes down hill immorally and totally disgusting things are totally normal to people</blockquote> i have to comment on this, late in the game, because you are so wrong and ignorant and it can't go ignored. you pull this shit out of your ass without any facts or evidence to support it. gay people - two committed adults in a perfectly healthy relationship (don't even argue this because i'll send you right over to the american psychological association). nobody with any credibility in science or psychology believes that being gay is unnatural. it occurs in almost every animal species and there is strong evidence for a gay gene ie; people are born that way. you can't compare being gay to fucking incest or rape or having sex with animals. one doesn't even involve consenting human beings and the other is genetically unnatural. the countries that have made gay marriage legal have had none of the problems you mentioned. then there's also massachusetts which has had gay marriage for a while and the main thing they've seen from that is an economic boost. and i know firsthand that being gay doesn't mean you can't have a regular life and a regular family. my aunts are gay and they have 3 kids (who are all straight btw) and they are probably one of the most normal families out there. they're sucessful and great people and you wouldn't even know they were any different from anybody else. now let's look at the countries with gay marriage so we can see how they're all on the path to hell like you said.... countries with gay marriage: Belgium Canada Netherlands Norway South Africa Spain countries with gay civil unions: Andorra Belgium Czech Republic Denmark Ecuador Finland France Germany Hungary Iceland Luxembourg Netherlands New Zealand Slovenia Sweden Switzerland United Kingdom Uruguay countries with certain states/regions with gay marriage/gay civil unions: Argentina (C, RN, VCP) Australia (TAS, ACT, VIC eff. 2008-12-1) Brazil (RS) Canada (NS, QC) Mexico (Coah., DF) United States (CA, CT, DC, HI, ME, MD, NH, NJ, OR, VT, WA) clearly all of these countries have made bestiality and incest legal and they are falling apart.. this country is supposed to have separation of church and state. nobody would ever argue for any religion to recognize gay rights. however, if gay people are gonna pay taxes (and they actually pay more than straight people do because they don't get tax breaks. my aunts pay twice as much as my parents do and they're lucky because they have a lot of money, but if they didn't they would be fucked financially) then they should have rights as american citizens. if they live in this country, they pay taxes, they follow the law, they should be treated like anyone else. end of story. people get so obsessed with gays and it's really weird. i dont know why if you're really straight, why you would care what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. fucking weird! end rant.</blockquote> Now that's what we would have all said had we been better at wording our thoughts haha WNicely done vinnyg 8973 Post 2008-10-25T21:34:11-04:00 244608 6884 2008-10-25T21:34:11-04:00 btw, thought id throw this out there, i was on the phone with my mom earlier, and i told her i just mailed in for my absentee ballot, and she was like ur not voting for obama are you?, she then proceeded to tell me hes both racist and a muslim. yaknow, i thought my mom was better than that. im actually embarrassed telling you all that 8973 Post 2008-10-25T22:24:35-04:00 244626 1208 2008-10-25T22:24:35-04:00 http://www.factcheck.org/ Why don't more people read it? I got into it with my aunt who said he won't salute the flag and is a muslim yesterday. Really? 8973 Post 2008-10-25T22:30:37-04:00 244628 665 2008-10-25T22:30:37-04:00 Damn .. and I used to like Ohio (just a little bit). 8973 Post 2008-10-26T23:27:12-04:00 245599 3490 2008-10-26T23:27:12-04:00